How to view religions.

Re: How to view religions.

Postby Hermit » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:26 am

Forty Two wrote:Should it be with contempt? Should religions be ridiculed and mocked?

What are the arguments for and against that?
Care to give your own answers to those questions?

1) Yes. At least since the age of Enlightenment anyway.
2) Depends on what aspect of it is addressed. For instance, Genesis is just asking to be mocked. "Do unto others...", while not particularly original, is laudable.
3) For: i) Millions, or perhaps billions of believers feel better for the belief that there is life after death. ii) Fear of divine punishment probably stops some people some of the time from doing some things they know is just wrong. It's not the best of reasons to refrain from doing wrong, but it does reduce its incidence.
Against: Religious views on abortion, homosexuality, the whole issue of sex, contraception. Hindu and Buddhist fatalism. Sharia. Theocratic tendencies. ... I don't know where to even start.
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Re: How to view religions.

Postby Dworkin » Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:46 am

Folks,

I'm not convinced that mockery and contempt are effective strategies against organised religion. As an example I would present Donald Trump's popularity with Evangelicals and Mormons.

So many times I have heard the Christian right say that the perceived mockery (and/or contempt) from liberals hardens their politics against them. 'Hate' would not be too strong a word.

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PS - Of course this may be bollocks. :prof:
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Re: How to view religions.

Postby JimC » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:26 am

To me, amused contempt is not a "strategy"; I have no illusions of having much effect on the deluded.

It is simply my reaction to bullshit.
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Re: How to view religions.

Postby Hermit » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:34 am

Mockery and contempt may not be effective strategies. So what? Forty Two titled the thread "How to view religions."
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Re: How to view religions.

Postby JimC » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:42 am

Additionally, while I may view religions with amused contempt, that is not normally the case with how I view individual religious people, particularly those who don't attempt to proselytise.
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Re: How to view religions.

Postby Dworkin » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:36 am

Dworkin wrote:PS - Of course this may be bollocks. :prof:


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Re: How to view religions.

Postby Brian Peacock » Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:48 pm

Dworkin wrote:Folks,

I'm not convinced that mockery and contempt are effective strategies against organised religion. As an example I would present Donald Trump's popularity with Evangelicals and Mormons.

So many times I have heard the Christian right say that the perceived mockery (and/or contempt) from liberals hardens their politics against them. 'Hate' would not be too strong a word.

D.

PS - Of course this may be bollocks. :prof:

It's a tricky one, because people who identify with this-or-that religion tend to be put out by criticism of same. I criticise Christianity for example, for, at a very basic and fundamental level, seeking to make moral automatons of its adherents, but I know individual Christians make perfectly reasonable moral judgements aside from their religion, not necessarily because of it. I criticise an aspect of their faith tradition, but not necessarily how they live their lives or who they are.
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Re: How to view religions.

Postby Alan B » Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:10 pm

With suspicion.
The followers are the controlled and the priestly hierarchy are the controllers.
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Re: How to view religions.

Postby rainbow » Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:53 am

Alan B wrote:With suspicion.
The followers are the controlled and the priestly hierarchy are the controllers.

Obviously.

What I said already.
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