What is an MRA?

[Azathoth]

This is an MRA

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/go ... sing-anya/

Long read but worth it. The vid is worth a watch too if you feel like getting into a rage. I defy anyone to watch it and not want to kick the obnoxious fat bitch in the purple right in the cunt.

Evidence for any of this being true?

Seeing his treatment in the video by that pair of fucking harpies makes me more amenable to taking his backstory at face value. It isn't like it is an uncommon one either. Family courts always favour the mother to a sickening extent even if she is a complete fuckup.

[Robert_S]

This is an MRA

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/go ... sing-anya/

Long read but worth it. The vid is worth a watch too if you feel like getting into a rage. I defy anyone to watch it and not want to kick the obnoxious fat bitch in the purple right in the cunt.

Evidence for any of this being true?

Seeing his treatment in the video by that pair of fucking harpies makes me more amenable to taking his backstory at face value. It isn't like it is an uncommon one either. Family courts always favour the mother to a sickening extent even if she is a complete fuckup.

Recent events make me skeptical of all kinds of claims I used to take at face value.

[Audley Strange]

I think cultural critique is quite important. Culture is where our laws come from. It's in the attitudes of our cops, prosecutors and judges. It's in the plaintiffs, the victims and the perpetrators.

If all the people in the justice system assume women are weak and men are strong, that's going to make a hell of a lot of difference if, say, I get beat up by a woman.

If everyone in the court believes that real men are cold breadwinners and women are nurturing homemakers, that's going to make a hell of a lot of difference in custody cases are decided.

If the mods at this forum believe that men are thick skinned and hardnosed while women are frail shrinking violets, that's going to make a difference in how mod decisions come down.

Sure, but there is a difference between rights and something being unfair. The idea that fairness should be some kind of right is nuts, especially from pressure groups, who always seem to want something for themselves, not for everyone.

[Robert_S]

I think cultural critique is quite important. Culture is where our laws come from. It's in the attitudes of our cops, prosecutors and judges. It's in the plaintiffs, the victims and the perpetrators.

If all the people in the justice system assume women are weak and men are strong, that's going to make a hell of a lot of difference if, say, I get beat up by a woman.

If everyone in the court believes that real men are cold breadwinners and women are nurturing homemakers, that's going to make a hell of a lot of difference in custody cases are decided.

If the mods at this forum believe that men are thick skinned and hardnosed while women are frail shrinking violets, that's going to make a difference in how mod decisions come down.

Sure, but there is a difference between rights and something being unfair. The idea that fairness should be some kind of right is nuts, especially from pressure groups, who always seem to want something for themselves, not for everyone.

Why bother with rights at all then? Aren't they born out of an idea of fairness?

[Audley Strange]

I think cultural critique is quite important. Culture is where our laws come from. It's in the attitudes of our cops, prosecutors and judges. It's in the plaintiffs, the victims and the perpetrators.

If all the people in the justice system assume women are weak and men are strong, that's going to make a hell of a lot of difference if, say, I get beat up by a woman.

If everyone in the court believes that real men are cold breadwinners and women are nurturing homemakers, that's going to make a hell of a lot of difference in custody cases are decided.

If the mods at this forum believe that men are thick skinned and hardnosed while women are frail shrinking violets, that's going to make a difference in how mod decisions come down.

Sure, but there is a difference between rights and something being unfair. The idea that fairness should be some kind of right is nuts, especially from pressure groups, who always seem to want something for themselves, not for everyone.

Why bother with rights at all then? Aren't they born out of an idea of fairness?

That's a very good question, I'd tentatively have to say no. You have the right to water, but it is not incumbent on anyone but you to get it. Any expectation that to make things "fair" others are obligated to fulfil your rights because you don't have water is not a right, it is a demand. This does not apply when you are actively being denied water.

[Trinity]

I think, regarding Aza's post, what strikes me is the lack of integrity, abuse of power and bias of those who supposedly have the responsibility to uphold the rights of the father and child in question. Self responsibility goes so far, but when the powers that be wield such reprehensible authority, it leaves people feeling subjugated and helpless which in my opinion gives them every cause to shout "unfair". Those in the positions of governance in instances like this should get their arses severely whooped.

[Bella Fortuna]

I think, regarding Aza's post, what strikes me is the lack of integrity, abuse of power and bias of those who supposedly have the responsibility to uphold the rights of the father and child in question. Self responsibility goes so far, but when the powers that be wield such reprehensible authority, it leaves people feeling subjugated and helpless which in my opinion gives them every cause to shout "unfair". Those in the positions of governance in instances like this should get their arses severely whooped.

Indeed. I had a friend of mine in mind that many here know as I read that. He got the shaft royally and humiliatingly via the courts thanks to an absolutely despicable ex-spouse.

[Robert_S]

We don't know the full context. He could have been a manipulative bastard cunt the whole time. I mean, it's oddly specific that he's not allowed to talk about the constitution.

We don't know that he didn't regularly beat his daughter. All we have is his account and one video of a visit. We don't know how previous visits have gone. We don't know how much shit he may have given those women on previous occasions. We don't know a hell of a lot here.

[Trinity]

I think, regarding Aza's post, what strikes me is the lack of integrity, abuse of power and bias of those who supposedly have the responsibility to uphold the rights of the father and child in question. Self responsibility goes so far, but when the powers that be wield such reprehensible authority, it leaves people feeling subjugated and helpless which in my opinion gives them every cause to shout "unfair". Those in the positions of governance in instances like this should get their arses severely whooped.

Indeed. I had a friend of mine in mind that many here know as I read that. He got the shaft royally and humiliatingly via the courts thanks to an absolutely despicable ex-spouse.

I have close family who have been through this too, recently. I acted as an advocate for them and I cannot believe the system gets away with what it does. We are still fighting, but making progress. Another family member of mine has a son and an ex partner from hell and her acts and words are pure lies, it's heartbreaking because the child suffers terribly. The emotional pain I've witnessed because of this is disturbing but the authorities choose to not see this; they are blinded by their holier than thou attitude and jobsworth-ness.
It seems it's "guilty until proven innocent" in the case of SS dealings.

[Animavore]

I never understand the beef with these MRAs anyway. If it were me I'd be happy only seeing the kids once a month or so. Less work for me

Yeah well, some of us would like to see our kids a lot more than that. Four days a month just doesn't seem remotely reasonable to me, yet it's the norm here.

I was being facetious, Pappa. And I probably shouldn't have worded it, "I never understand the beef with MRAs.." as my house mate sees his kid almost half the week and I get exactly why he likes having the kid over. The kid's mother being a terrible human being being one of them. He'd rather the kid was more with him than her. In fact the reason he has the kid more is because she foists the kid on to him any chance she gets. Just last week she sent him a stingy text message after she found out he took the Monday off work without telling her and was caught out enjoying himself by some rat-bag!

But definitely for me I'd let a woman think she has one over me if she went out of her way to give me as little access time as possible. I would go out and enjoy myself and post pictures on Facebook while she's stuck with the kids. Call it reverse psychology. In the end she would probably come to me with the kids, relenting, and telling me I can see them more. Making it out like she's being all nice, but really because she wants some of that free time for herself.



(it'll probably totally backfire on me somehow )

[Pappa]

I never understand the beef with these MRAs anyway. If it were me I'd be happy only seeing the kids once a month or so. Less work for me

Yeah well, some of us would like to see our kids a lot more than that. Four days a month just doesn't seem remotely reasonable to me, yet it's the norm here.

I was being facetious, Pappa.

I know. The whole topic of access touches a nerve with me though.

[Robert_S]

I've heard nightmare stories about the Department of Children and Family Services. Even from married couples. Especially when both partners work and can't keep the house spotless.

[Robert_S]

I'm going to recommend a blogger. I spotted him from a link in a thread on RatSkep and also from a link from LP on FB.

He's on FreethoughtBlogs, but you might want to give him a chance anyway. He's got some well thought out views and doesn't seem to be overtaken by bitterness. His comment section is actually civil and has diverse views. So, here it is: Heteronormative Patriarchy for Men

And I love him for this:

There’s a vile adage in circulation among professional journalists and more self-important bloggers: “Never read the bottom half of the internet.”

Fuck that. The bottom half is the internet; it is the raw, beating heart of the beast. I remember this realm when there was no top half of the internet. All the corporate-sponsored, proprietor-endorsed, Oxbridge-educated interlopers marched in late with their entitlement and their privilege and declared the internet theirs, with the same tactics and the same mindset as the baronets and princes who enclosed the commons in medieval times.

Taken from here: http://freethoughtblogs.com/hetpat/comm ... -comments/

[DaveDodo007]

I have been checking the MRAs and MGTOW and even AVFM on Youtube. MRAs, well they have given me some good insights about stuff I never thought of before, Though I have never been married or had kids or dated a feminists and I'm a lazy cunt so it hard to muster anything more than I feel for you bro.

Men going their own way, well at least this shows commitment, I'm actually impressed with a lot of what they say except the part about all women being Jezebels. Though most polls show only 29% of women are feminists and a lot of them just pay lip service to the tag. How the hell are you going to get though life without pussy and blowjobs (oh and companionship too, just throwing this bit in for the ladies, )

Though what the fuck is AVoiceForMen playing at? The early stuff seems reasonable with clean cut men and women spouting facts and evidence. Now they have gone totally mental and are doxxing people all over the place. WTF is the 'register her' Facebook page all about if not a stalkers and psychos charter. They seem to want to go the squeaky gate gets the most oil route, well this will work but in the way they want it to then I'm not so sure.