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Nuclear Accident Heroism?

Post by cronus » Sat May 11, 2013 12:27 pm

Would you leave or go towards a scene of a nuclear accident if you thought there was a chance you could help by your presence? What criteria do you use to determine if you are expendable, or not, in those circumstances? Age? Family? Locality?
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Post by macdoc » Sat May 11, 2013 12:56 pm

Yes with some caveats.
There are very few nuclear accidents that are death dealing despite the nonsense spread about.

I've had far more radiation from cancer treatment than the vast bulk of people around any nuclear accident. The "fear" of radiation is the most damaging aspect of it and this post seems to confirm it.

I fail to comprehend any scenario with modern reactors that would not be contained except for a major earthquake.
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Re: Nuclear Accident Heroism?

Post by Calilasseia » Sat May 11, 2013 2:55 pm

Here's someone who went back to the scene of a criticality accident ... and then triggered a second criticality accident.

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Post by Azathoth » Sat May 11, 2013 3:13 pm

I would probably just get in the way even if I went in with the intention of helping. Emergency services dont need well meaning untrained amateurs wandering about. So short answer, nope,
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Post by macdoc » Sat May 11, 2013 3:24 pm

:doh:

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and I've undergone this treatment and am alive and cancer free because of it
Patients receiving radiotherapy spread over about 6 weeks to cure cancer get a daily dose of 2000 mSv to the tumour that kills thecancer cells.- They also receive daily 1000 mSv to many healthy organs andtissue that survive -- more than 20,000 mSv per month.- That is more than 5 X an acute fatal dose (4,000mSv).-
Credible data?
Most people personally know someone who has benefited from suchtreatment.-
How?
Recovery from radiation damage.After each daily treatment healthy organs just have time to repair theradiation damage - and the tumour cells just do not.
Now it's not fun, feels like an internal sunburn, takes about 6 weeks to go away and raises my risk of other cancers slightly. That's 17 treatments each progressively more powerful.

and this is done thousands of times a day all over the world.
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Post by Tyrannical » Sat May 11, 2013 4:17 pm

I believe there were quite a few Japanese nuclear workers that acted heroically during the last disaster. Of course the corporate big wigs would be no where to be found near the danger zone. Perhaps if the big wigs and their families were forced to work in the highly irradiated zones things would have been different.
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Post by FBM » Sat May 11, 2013 4:38 pm

macdoc wrote:

Just wanted to see.
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Post by macdoc » Sat May 11, 2013 4:45 pm

Trouble is it's hard to read at that resolution
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Re: Nuclear Accident Heroism?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat May 11, 2013 4:56 pm

In the Navy we learned to run toward a fire.

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Post by FBM » Sat May 11, 2013 5:00 pm

macdoc wrote:Trouble is it's hard to read at that resolution
Yeah, damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Re: Nuclear Accident Heroism?

Post by JimC » Sun May 12, 2013 7:19 am

Azathoth wrote:I would probably just get in the way even if I went in with the intention of helping. Emergency services dont need well meaning untrained amateurs wandering about. So short answer, nope,
Good point... :tup:
And good info, macdoc...

Once a years, I get our collection of radioactive sources out of their lead lined box, set them up at the front desk of the physics lab, and perform a series of measurements with the geiger counter (which for some samples, absolutely roars...), and the lads record the data...

Probably the equivalent of a few dental x-rays for me, virtually nothing for the lads...

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