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Ghosts in the material world

Post by cronus » Sun May 05, 2013 6:54 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22380449

Ghosts in the material world

John Gray revives the memory of a ghost story to discuss materialism - the theory that only matter exists.

According to a curious, subtle, now largely forgotten writer: "Any event in this world - any human being for that matter - that seems to wear even the faintest cast or warp of strangeness, is apt to leave a disproportionately sharp impression on one's senses."

In contrast, he goes on, "Life's mere ordinary day-to-day - its thoughts, talk, doings - wither and die out of the mind like leaves from a tree. Year after year a similar crop recurs, and that goes too. It is mere debris, it perishes. But these other anomalies survive, even through the cold of age."

These lines come at the beginning of a story by Walter de la Mare, published in 1924, which deals with one of these anomalous experiences. During the later decades of his long life - he was born in 1873 and died in 1956 - de la Mare was a familiar feature of the English literary landscape, a poet and anthologist whose poems were learnt by heart by successive generations of schoolchildren and whose books were widely available in public libraries.

So why is he so little known today? It may be because his work conveys a sense of the insubstantial quality of everyday things, a point of view that runs counter to the prevailing creed of scientific materialism.

At his peak of public recognition, de Le Mare was most celebrated as a writer for children, but in nearly everything he wrote he explored experiences of the uncanny. The story from which I've quoted - which is definitely meant for grown-ups - communicates this in an especially intense and concentrated way.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun May 05, 2013 7:56 am

Immaterial to me. :coffee:
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Post by JimC » Sun May 05, 2013 8:35 am

The Listeners

"Is there anybody there?" said the Traveller,
Knocking on the moonlit door;
And his horse in the silence champed the grass
Of the forest's ferny floor;
And a bird flew up out of the turret,
Above the Traveller's head:
And he smote upon the door again a second time;
"Is there anybody there?" he said.
But no one descended to the Traveller;
No head from the leaf-fringed sill
Leaned over and looked into his grey eyes,
Where he stood perplexed and still.
But only a host of phantom listeners
That dwelt in the lone house then
Stood listening in the quiet of the moonlight
To that voice from the world of men:
Stood thronging the faint moonbeams on the dark stair,
That goes down to the empty hall,
Hearkening in an air stirred and shaken
By the lonely Traveller's call.
And he felt in his heart their strangeness,
Their stillness answering his cry,
While his horse moved, cropping the dark turf,
'Neath the starred and leafy sky;
For he suddenly smote on the door, even
Louder, and lifted his head:--
"Tell them I came, and no one answered,
That I kept my word," he said.
Never the least stir made the listeners,
Though every word he spake
Fell echoing through the shadowiness of the still house
From the one man left awake:
Ay, they heard his foot upon the stirrup,
And the sound of iron on stone,
And how the silence surged softly backward,
When the plunging hoofs were gone.

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Post by Bella Fortuna » Sun May 05, 2013 1:16 pm

Cue klr posting a certain Police song...
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Post by cronus » Sun May 05, 2013 2:51 pm

There's a lot we don't know but Google and the scientific method are the best ways of finding things like that out. Simply accepting a mystery as a indication of things mysterious is no answer whatsoever. It is the way of the idiot to avoid asking intelligent questions about the unknown. I'd almost believe the BBC are trying to put folk into a suggestive frame of mind for other purposes here, not like they aren't originating as the propaganda wing of the MOD?
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun May 05, 2013 3:31 pm

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Post by PsychoSerenity » Sun May 05, 2013 4:16 pm

Yeah that was just a big long page of "oooh isn't it all mysterious".
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Post by Audley Strange » Sun May 05, 2013 5:22 pm

As I was going up the stair
I met a man who was not there
He wasn't there again today.
Oh how I wish he'd go away.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun May 05, 2013 5:23 pm

Audley Strange wrote:As I was going up the stair
I met a man who was not there
He wasn't there again today.
Oh how I wish he'd go away.

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Post by Audley Strange » Sun May 05, 2013 5:25 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:As I was going up the stair
I met a man who was not there
He wasn't there again today.
Oh how I wish he'd go away.

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Yeah him.
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