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Rules for Radicals

Post by amused » Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:29 am

I read this somewhat late in life, and recently picked it up again. Although it is somewhat dated (1971) there are some good core ideas that are valid even today. Saul Alinsky's passion for people is evident throughout, and the fact that the far right maligns him is evidence of their own lack of humanity.

And, how could friendly rabid atheists (mostly) not like someone who opens his book with this:
"Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgement to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins - or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom - Lucifer." - Saul Alinsky
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Post by Seth » Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:47 am

amused wrote:I read this somewhat late in life, and recently picked it up again. Although it is somewhat dated (1971) there are some good core ideas that are valid even today. Saul Alinsky's passion for people is evident throughout, and the fact that the far right maligns him is evidence of their own lack of humanity.
It's not a lack of humanity, it's a dislike of propaganda and indoctrination and using poor people as tools in one's ideological battle for the supremacy of collectivism without telling them what they are getting themselves into...which is dependency and eternal slavery to the Progressive machine.

The good news is that his rules can be used by anyone, regardless of their ideological bent, which is exactly what Glen Beck and others are doing to "activate" communities against socialism and progressivism. And it's working pretty damned well right now.
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Post by amused » Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:56 am

http://www.industrialareasfoundation.org/

The Industrial Areas Foundation (IAF) is a national community organizing network established in 1940 by Saul Alinsky. IAF provides training and consultation, furnishes organizers, and develops national strategy for its affiliated broad-based community organizations. There are currently 57 IAF affiliates functioning in 21 states, Canada, the United Kingdom, Germany and Australia. It describes its chief purpose as power and its chief product as social change.
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Post by Ronja » Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:06 pm

Fascinating - I hope I can take the time to look more into it (sometime in March maybe... :cry: )
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Post by Seth » Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:03 am

amused wrote:http://www.industrialareasfoundation.org/

The Industrial Areas Foundation (IAF) is a national community organizing network established in 1940 by Saul Alinsky. IAF provides training and consultation, furnishes organizers, and develops national strategy for its affiliated broad-based community organizations. There are currently 57 IAF affiliates functioning in 21 states, Canada, the United Kingdom, Germany and Australia. It describes its chief purpose as power and its chief product as social change.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial ... Foundation
"Social change" is a code-word for Marxism.
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Re: Rules for Radicals

Post by apophenia » Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:46 am




And "bubble gum" is a code-word for "make sex like coke crazed weasels."



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Post by Thumpalumpacus » Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:35 am

hahahahah, got any gum there?
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Post by JimC » Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:39 am

I want a tweak to the forum software that makes it play "John Birch Society Blues" every time a Sethian post is clicked on...
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Post by amused » Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:46 am

An organizer working in and for an open society is in an ideological dilemma. To begin with, he does not have a fixed truth—truth to him is relative and changing; everything to him is relative and changing. He is a politcal relativist. He accepts the late Justice Learned Hand’s statement that “the mark of a free man is that ever-gnawing inner uncertainty as to whether or not he is right.” The consequence is that he is ever on the hunt for the causes of man’s plight and the general propositions that help to make some sense out of man’s irrational world. He must constantly examine life, including his own, to get some idea of what it is all about, and he must challenge and test his own findings. Irreverence, essential to questioning, is a requisite. Curiosity becomes compulsive. His most frequent word is “why?”
Alinsky, Saul (2010-06-22). Rules for Radicals (pp. 10-11). Random House, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

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Re: Rules for Radicals

Post by apophenia » Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:39 pm

amused wrote:
An organizer working in and for an open society is in an ideological dilemma. To begin with, he does not have a fixed truth—truth to him is relative and changing; everything to him is relative and changing. He is a politcal relativist. He accepts the late Justice Learned Hand’s statement that “the mark of a free man is that ever-gnawing inner uncertainty as to whether or not he is right.” The consequence is that he is ever on the hunt for the causes of man’s plight and the general propositions that help to make some sense out of man’s irrational world. He must constantly examine life, including his own, to get some idea of what it is all about, and he must challenge and test his own findings. Irreverence, essential to questioning, is a requisite. Curiosity becomes compulsive. His most frequent word is “why?”
Alinsky, Saul (2010-06-22). Rules for Radicals (pp. 10-11). Random House, Inc.. Kindle Edition.
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