Should science fiction films ONLY be allowed if they get the gravity right?

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Should science fiction films ONLY be allowed if they get the gravity right?

Post by Rum » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:10 pm

I mean there just isn’t any excuse any more! (Other than budget).

Just started watching a rubbish thing on Netflix about Io. They just ignore the issue. Twats.

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Post by laklak » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:44 pm

Maybe it's a fundamental force that identifies as gravity. You shouldn't judge.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Post by Svartalf » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:45 pm

c'mon, by that yardstick, historical movies should only be allowed if they got their history right, and that meanst that all of them would be disallowed... SF films are foremost fiction, not science, and they're no means to educate the public in matters scientifical.
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:18 am

One of my pet peeves in science fiction movies is the almost universal insistence on sound effects in space. However, the (relatively) recent Gravity did a good job of using the silence of space as a storytelling device, which was pleasing to me.

Incongruous depictions of gravity were something I could forgive in the past, but I agree that with the advances in technology there's much less of an excuse now. It seems to me that accuracy and a faithful representation of the subject matter are generally low priorities in the ambitions of movie-makers. Discerning consumers can legitimately gripe about that, but most of the movie-going public doesn't worry about it.

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Post by JimC » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:53 am

And don't get me started on getting the levity right... :nono:
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Post by Cunt » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:56 am

Svartalf wrote:
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c'mon, by that yardstick, historical movies should only be allowed if they got their history right, and that meanst that all of them would be disallowed... SF films are foremost fiction, not science, and they're no means to educate the public in matters scientifical.
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Post by laklak » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:56 am

Why didn't the Enterprise bridge have seatbelts?
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Post by Hermit » Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:30 am

laklak wrote:
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Why didn't the Enterprise bridge have seatbelts?
Because there was no need. The ship was perfectly stable at all times, and the actors wanted to exercise.


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Post by Cunt » Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:31 am

laklak wrote:
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Why didn't the Enterprise bridge have seatbelts?
I distinctly remember a handsome young Sulu being strapped in by auto-tightening shoulder straps.

But if they had seatbelts, what would be the point of having all that empty space in which to accelerate toward collision with the viewscreen?

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Post by trdsf » Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:46 am

Svartalf wrote:
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c'mon, by that yardstick, historical movies should only be allowed if they got their history right, and that meanst that all of them would be disallowed... SF films are foremost fiction, not science, and they're no means to educate the public in matters scientifical.
There's no reason that the science part and the fiction part are mutually exclusive -- SF can educate. It's not required to, but it can.

That said, the most painful reason for a science fiction story to fall apart is not because it got the science wrong, but because it failed to remain internally consistent between how it keeps and how it breaks/ignores/rewrites the laws of science. Nothing's so fatal as an obvious and unwarranted handwave.
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Post by Rum » Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:36 am

...and of course, in anything not set in the near future, relativity and the limitations of the speed of light (and the potential consequences in the unlikely event of it ever being exceeded) are completely ignored.

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Post by Animavore » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:00 am

You all should watch the TV show The Expanse for gravity done right. They even do hair right, which Gravity didn't. And there's a mining group of people who live on the asteroid belt between here and Mars whose bones are less dense and elongated due to growing up with lack of gravity. In one episode one of these are taken to Earth and left hanging by the arms in a cell as torture until someone intervenes and has him put in a water tank for relief.
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Post by Svartalf » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:16 pm

Cunt wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:56 am
Svartalf wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:45 pm
c'mon, by that yardstick, historical movies should only be allowed if they got their history right, and that meanst that all of them would be disallowed... SF films are foremost fiction, not science, and they're no means to educate the public in matters scientifical.
Fuck YOU with a train comprised of Isaac Asimov, Robert Heinlein and Piers Anthony.

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when computers are powered by 'positronic brains", then will asimov be a science author (yes I know he was educated in science and that heinlein was an engineer)... let's face it, regardless of background, their writings were not real science.
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Re: Should science fiction films ONLY be allowed if they get the gravity right?

Post by Rum » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:32 pm

I think the best ‘hard’ science fiction does two things. It invents technology and ‘science’ that is at least within the realms of speculation, and 2) it is consistent within the rules of the universe it has created. That’s where fantasy creeps in and suddenly a solution to some problem is ‘magiced’ Into existence. I’ve never really got on with fantasy as a genre. I wasn’t even all that keen on lord of the rings.

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