Dunkirk: History is racist!

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Dunkirk: History is racist!

Post by Rum » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:18 pm

http://www.screengeek.net/2017/07/25/du ... diversity/


"In a time where literally every single thing is offensive, it should come as no surprise to you that Christopher Nolan’s latest film, Dunkirk, is now being criticized for a lack of gender and racial diversity.

A review from USA Today’s Brian Truitt, which is a mostly positive review, actually said the following:

“…the fact that there are only a couple of women and no lead actors of color may rub some the wrong way.”

Because you know, forget history.

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Post by Animavore » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:51 pm

It sounds to me like the person was just predicting the inevitable, not themselves complaining about it.
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Post by laklak » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:57 pm

I hope so.

Ever see the old Dambusters? They changed the dog's name to "Blacky" in the remake. Reminds me of my youngest daughter, who has a bit of a mouth on her. She said "why should I say 'frikking' around Sara's Dad when he actually knows I mean 'fucking'?"
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Post by laklak » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:03 pm

Here's the last para of the USA Today review, the preceding was overwhelmingly positive.
The trio of timelines can be jarring as you figure out how they all fit, and the fact that there are only a couple of women and no lead actors of color may rub some the wrong way. Still, Nolan’s feat is undeniable: He’s made an immersive war movie that celebrates the good of mankind while also making it clear that no victory is without sacrifice.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/mov ... 482574001/

I think he's just covering the PC bases.
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Post by Rum » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:41 pm

The out of sync timeline is an indication in my view that Nolan realises that audiences are not as dumb as Hollywood assumes. I thought it worked well even if it was unusual. The film, which I saw last Friday was terrific. Superb even.

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Post by laklak » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:27 pm

Haven't seen it yet, I want to see the 70mm cut but that's up in Tampa. Don't know if I can be arsed to drive an hour and a half. I think you need to see something like that on the big screen.
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Post by Animavore » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:31 pm

Funnily enough, looking it up, while no SJW-types have come out and complained, there are loads of "satire" articles from MRA-types.
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Post by Hermit » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:36 pm

laklak wrote:I think you need to see something like that on the big screen.
Not everybody needs that. I can immerse myself totally into a film on a small screen. In fact, looking at a two metre high face during a close-up distracts me by its sheer size. As long as the sound system is good and the aspect ratio is as originally filmed (that is not pan and scanned) I'm happy.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:05 pm

If you want to see it large you can always just sit closer to the screen.
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Post by Strontium Dog » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:04 am

The film should be a big success in this country, we celebrate nothing more highly than plucky losers.
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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:06 am

Rum wrote:The out of sync timeline is an indication in my view that Nolan realises that audiences are not as dumb as Hollywood assumes. I thought it worked well even if it was unusual. The film, which I saw last Friday was terrific. Superb even.
I haven't seen the movie, so I'm not certain exactly what out of sync timelines means, but I've been watching Westworld and it's timelines are definitely out of sync. And it annoys the shit out of me. Is 'out of sync' timelines now a thing? I hate when alternative techniques become a fad.
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pErvin wrote:
Rum wrote:The out of sync timeline is an indication in my view that Nolan realises that audiences are not as dumb as Hollywood assumes. I thought it worked well even if it was unusual. The film, which I saw last Friday was terrific. Superb even.
I haven't seen the movie, so I'm not certain exactly what out of sync timelines means, but I've been watching Westworld and it's timelines are definitely out of sync. And it annoys the shit out of me. Is 'out of sync' timelines now a thing? I hate when alternative techniques become a fad.

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Post by Rum » Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:14 am

pErvin wrote:
Rum wrote:The out of sync timeline is an indication in my view that Nolan realises that audiences are not as dumb as Hollywood assumes. I thought it worked well even if it was unusual. The film, which I saw last Friday was terrific. Superb even.
I haven't seen the movie, so I'm not certain exactly what out of sync timelines means, but I've been watching Westworld and it's timelines are definitely out of sync. And it annoys the shit out of me. Is 'out of sync' timelines now a thing? I hate when alternative techniques become a fad.
It isn't a spoiler to say that the film is split into three broad chunks, Land, Sea and Air. The overall story isn't developed in a completely linear fashion. Nolan occasionally jumps back to an event in one of those three chunks that happens at an earlier - or later point in the overall story. It works even if it is a bit unusual.

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Post by Animavore » Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:17 am

The timelines are one week on land, one day at sea, and one hour in the air. They run concurrently and meet up, supposedly.
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