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[Elessarina]

The only thing from 2009 deserving an award is No Country For Old Men. Gneh.

Er.. doh! that won best picture at the Oscars in 2008!

[leo-rcc]

The only thing from 2009 deserving an award is No Country For Old Men. Gneh.

Er.. doh! that won best picture at the Oscars in 2008!

You'd think with all those cuckoo clocks they'd be with the times in Switzerland.

[Elessarina]

The only thing from 2009 deserving an award is No Country For Old Men. Gneh.

Er.. doh! that won best picture at the Oscars in 2008!

You'd think with all those cuckoo clocks they'd be with the times in Switzerland.

Exactly - he's lost 2 years!

[Chinaski]

Shit. Change that to A Serious Man.

[Elessarina]

Shit. Change that to A Serious Man.

[Animavore]

Actually Antichrist should get best picture and its not even nominated. Not commercial or heart warming enough for the American public I guess.

[Elessarina]

Actually Antichrist should get best picture and its not even nominated. Not commercial or heart warming enough for the American public I guess.

Hmm I thought the film was surrounded by controversy and the subject matter not exactly nice?

It also was panned by a lot of critics and doesn't have a high approval rating

[Animavore]

Actually Antichrist should get best picture and its not even nominated. Not commercial or heart warming enough for the American public I guess.

Hmm I thought the film was surrounded by controversy and the subject matter not exactly nice?

It also was panned by a lot of critics and doesn't have a high approval rating

They panned it because they were shocked and disturbed by it. That's their tough shit. Plenty of great films in the past have also had the same effect including The Excorsist, Eraserhead A Clockwork Orangeand Possession (1981). I thought it was highly engrossing, beautifully shot by the same guy that done Slim Dog Millionaire and menacing as well as brooding and emotional. Who cares if the subject matter isn't "nice". The world isn't nice. Happy endings don't happen in real-life. Some aspects in life are messed up and films like Antichrist hold a mirror to that.
American public want schmaltz and sentimentality and that's why corny films like Forrest Gump get best picture.

EDIT: Just looking at Rotten Tomatoes and I can see that this film has split the critics in 2 between those that love it and those that hate it.

Usually a sign of a great film in my experience

[Elessarina]

They panned it because they were shocked and disturbed by it. That's their tough shit. Plenty of great films in the past have also had the same effect including The Excorsist, Eraserhead A Clockwork Orangeand Possession (1981). I thought it was highly engrossing, beautifully shot by the same guy that done Slim Dog Millionaire and menacing as well as brooding and emotional. Who cares if the subject matter isn't "nice". The world isn't nice. Happy endings don't happen in real-life. Some aspects in life are messed up and films like Antichrist hold a mirror to that.
American public want schmaltz and sentimentality and that's why corny films like Forrest Gump get best picture.

I am only referring to what critics have said I don't think it's that the film ius shocking or the subject matter isn't nice but that the film wasn't good or was dull

"Von Trier has mutilated his own film, turning it into a crazy, hysterical work that alienates the audience with its infantile shock tactics and tedious transgressions." Times UK

"Given how desperate to shock the film is, it’s surprising that long swathes of it are so turgidly dull" A different reviewer from the Times UK

"The scandal of Antichrist is not that it is grisly or upsetting but that it is so ponderous, so conceptually thin and so dull. " NY Times

[Xamonas Chegwé]

They panned it because they were shocked and disturbed by it. That's their tough shit. Plenty of great films in the past have also had the same effect including The Excorsist, Eraserhead A Clockwork Orangeand Possession (1981). I thought it was highly engrossing, beautifully shot by the same guy that done Slim Dog Millionaire and menacing as well as brooding and emotional. Who cares if the subject matter isn't "nice". The world isn't nice. Happy endings don't happen in real-life. Some aspects in life are messed up and films like Antichrist hold a mirror to that.
American public want schmaltz and sentimentality and that's why corny films like Forrest Gump get best picture.

I am only referring to what critics have said I don't think it's that the film ius shocking or the subject matter isn't nice but that the film wasn't good or was dull

"Von Trier has mutilated his own film, turning it into a crazy, hysterical work that alienates the audience with its infantile shock tactics and tedious transgressions." Times UK

"Given how desperate to shock the film is, it’s surprising that long swathes of it are so turgidly dull" A different reviewer from the Times UK

"The scandal of Antichrist is not that it is grisly or upsetting but that it is so ponderous, so conceptually thin and so dull. " NY Times

Why not watch it and decide for yourself. You will love it, or hate it. It is not really a film of in-betweens.

[Elessarina]

[Why not watch it and decide for yourself. You will love it, or hate it. It is not really a film of in-betweens.

I was interested in it until I read there was female genital mutilation or torture or somesuch in it.. Gore doesn't bother me but something about that just doesn't sit right with me..

[Animavore]

Well until you've seen it you're not in a position to judge. And I really don't know how anyone can call the film dull. Plus you only quoted the critics that hated it, have you looked at thee ones who liked it? Mark Kermode has it down as one of his top ten from last year.

[Elessarina]

Well until you've seen it you're not in a position to judge. And I really don't know how anyone can call the film dull. Plus you only quoted the critics that hated it, have you looked at thee ones who liked it? Mark Kermode has it down as one of his top ten from last year.

Well yes of course as I mentioned that many critics disliked it.. so why would I mentioned positive reviews...only 58% of top critics 48% of all critics.

I was not trying to make a judgement of the film from my opinion as I haven't seen it. However I am in a position to judge whether the film was well received or not.. I am also in a position to decide upon reading reviews of whether it is a film I want to see... and obviously I didn't want to see it. However as I know I will get nothing but earache for not watching it, I will.

[Animavore]

You don't have to if art house films aren't your thing. Many people don't watch those types of films. I'm just saying not to base you decision of a film based on what critics say. I usually never read the reviews of critics 'til after I've seen the film and even turn away from the ads and try see a film as soon as its out so that I've seen it before all my friends so that no one influences my opinion.
I have mentioned this film numerous times since it came out last summer and was careful not to mention the infamous scene you just mentioned above because I wanted people to be hit by it.
In fact, I gave my friend Ollie it to watch last night telling him nothing about it, he never heard of it, I'm dying to know what he thought of it

[Elessarina]

In fact, I gave my friend Ollie it to watch last night telling him nothing about it, he never heard of it, I'm dying to know what he thought of it

My taste and range of films I like is very wide.. it's not that I am adverse to any particular genre or type of film.. the "plot" of "Antichrist" did not grab me.. had it had fantastic reviews I would probably have watched it.. regardless of my initial disinterest... as it was slated by quite a lot of people I elected not to. I base my choice in movies on varying factors sometimes just one.

I tend to pay attention to what critics say in terms of whether they in general like a film.. withput reading specific reviews. Although musicals aren't generally my thing I had heard great things about "Nine" before it was released.. after release it had a something like a 35% approval rating.. so i decided against going to see it. I don't always follow what critics say or necessarily pay attention to what critics say but as i said about about "Antichrist"..from the outset I had little interest in it the fact that many critics didn't like it simply persuaded me not to see it.