Ingmar Bergman may have been switched at birth

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Ingmar Bergman may have been switched at birth

Post by Ronja » Thu May 26, 2011 4:50 pm

Ingmar Bergman may have been switched at birth. The Swedish director was not biologically related to his mother, Karin Bergman, according to tests performed by Sweden’s National Board of Forensic Medicine at the request of family members.

“I contacted the board of forensic medicine to see if it was possible to perform a DNA analysis to clarify this,” Veronica Ralston, Bergman’s niece, told Dagens Nyheter, a Swedish newspaper.

“I suggested that they could investigate stamps which Ingmar Bergman had licked and sent on letters and postcards to his parents and compare them with my DNA.”
Some more here: http://www.toronto.com/article/686781

And a forum discussion with translations from Swedish newspapers (which of course are going totally bananas with this) is here: http://royaldish.com/index.php?PHPSESSI ... #msg321152

If the studied stamps really were licked by Ingmar Bergman, there is no way in hell Karin Bergman was his mother. If...
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Re: Ingmar Bergman may have been switched at birth

Post by Rum » Thu May 26, 2011 4:54 pm

What an odd story. Why has it come out now? And why does it matter?

I used to belong to a film club and saw loads of his films by the way. My favourites were the French new wave and earlier though I have to say.

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Re: Ingmar Bergman may have been switched at birth

Post by Ronja » Thu May 26, 2011 5:18 pm

Rum wrote:What an odd story. Why has it come out now?
Because about one year ago the granddaughter of the alleged biological mother of Ingmar Bergman wrote a book in which she commented on how extraordinarily alike her father, Ingmar Bergman and a third man looked. She knew that the third man was her father's brother, but it was a big shameful secret, as her grandmother had given birth to altogether three sons without being married (this was, after all, almost one hundred years ago). The grandmother eventually married, and the husband adopted her youngest son. The older two were never officially discussed, but church records show that they were baptized and other records indicate that they were given up directly after birth. One son was born in July 1918. Ingmar Bergman's official birthdate was 14 July 1918.

The allegation is that Erik Bergman, Ingmar's father, would have been the father of all three out-of-wedlock sons.

The maternal niece of Ingmar Bergman happened to meet the author of that book and grew curious, and volunteered for a DNA test, the results of which have been published yesterday.
Rum wrote:And why does it matter?
Bergman is as famous in Sweden as royalty. And his art was very much tied to his family history, which he often spoke of himself. The assessment I have read is that neither the social mother nor Ingmar himself ever knew about the switch.

The allegation is that the father arranged the switch when the baby boy, who was born on 14 July 1918, died (the mother was seriously ill with the Spanish Flu when giving birth, and the baby was in very bad shape according to the hospital records). The official family story, which Ingmar often repeated, is that the ill baby was transported to Dalarna (hundreds of kilometers away), where a relative had found a wet nurse for him, and he was nursed back to health and returned home when the mother was well again.
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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Thu May 26, 2011 6:03 pm

Does it matter? His films are still as good. Reminds me that I have a couple kicking around somewhere that I haven't watched yet... :tea:
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Post by Ronja » Thu May 26, 2011 6:07 pm

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:Does it matter? His films are still as good. Reminds me that I have a couple kicking around somewhere that I haven't watched yet... :tea:
Doesn't matter a bit regarding the quality of his films, IMO. It's just gossip - film related gossip, therefor I posted it in Stage & Screen. :coffee:
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Re: Ingmar Bergman may have been switched at birth

Post by Ronja » Sat May 28, 2011 6:20 pm

OK, now they have gotten the story out in English, too. It's kinda long. The beef IMO is in this part, at the end of the article:
But beyond all the rumor, speculation and opinion, the DNA comparison now weighs in. Associate Professor of Forensic Genetics Gunilla Holmlund and Professor Bertil Lindblom at the National Board of Forensic Medicine, who performed the comparison of Veronica Ralston and Ingmar Bergman, reported that "differences in the test sequence could be detected in 13 positions." Ralston and Bergman, were not related on their mother’s side. In other words, Karin Bergman could not be the biological mother of Ingmar Bergman.

Gunilla Holmlund, who was responsible for the case, explained that the National Board of Forensic Medicine never comments about individual cases, but she offered that differences in 13 positions means that the result is "very, very certain". The two individuals concerned simply can not be related. In a study of this type, mitochondrial DNA which is only passed on from mother to child, differences of three positions are significant, but this case the all 13 are different. “It is crystal clear from a statistical point of view," she said.
Officially, Veronica Ralston is the niece of Ingmar Bergman, i.e. his sister's daughter.

More here: http://www.dn.se/kultur-noje/film-tv/wh ... ar-bergman
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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Sat May 28, 2011 6:22 pm

Somebody should make a film about it... :whistle:
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Re: Ingmar Bergman may have been switched at birth

Post by Ronja » Sat May 28, 2011 7:10 pm

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:Somebody should make a film about it... :whistle:
The title of which could be...

"One Flew Over the Cuckold's Nest" - ?
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