JimC wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 12:42 am
Cunt, it seems to me you have two main concerns:
1. The possibility that some young people (let's say under 18) who undergo some form of medical intervention for gender reassignment will either be traumatised, or seriously regret it (if it is irreversible). Coupled with that, you seem to be asserting that some doctors/medical clinics are actively pushing such procedures in an unethical fashion.
Not the possibility, JimC
It's happening, now that it has spread widely enough. My concern is more about the firm denial by some that it is happening, and the pressure the so-called de-transitioners are under when they try to tell their stories.
Not to mention the language game, or framing game.
Do you think Chloe Cole is more fairly described as a de-transitioner? Or a victim?
I would agree there is potential for bad outcomes here, but nothing you have posted indicates what proportion of young sex change people are happy, what what proportion are unhappy. This matters, since if it is only a tiny proportion with serious regrets, all that implies is the need for more thorough counselling before any medical procedures.
Have you listened to their complaints? Not just about being 'railroaded' into a regretful choice affecting their whole future (at 13, in the case of Cole) but about the response by media, medics and others when bringing the complaints forward.
Those things would keep caring adults such as yourself from knowing one side of the issue.
I get that you want to know proportions, so would anyone. Do you think it's possible that media is tilted in this arena, or that medical facilities might obscure some of the more drastic ends of their treatments?
I think the best you could do, is find a falsifiable claim to test, repeat as necessary. But listening to the stories of the victims might help you to understand what it is to look for. Case studies, you know. They complain about censorship, and being smeared by a motivated media, among other confounding factors.
2. You seem to all be asserting that the left in general is somehow locked in to defending any and all aspects of transgender politics (no matter how extreme), and that speaking out against particularly dogmatic versions of such politics is verboten.
Pretty much, yes. It's not as easy to put my finger on, but you phrased it fairly well.
It's frustrating, especially when everyone here understandably declines to say which parts of this are 'far-left-extremism'. Forget the local gang.
Which prominent democrat politicians have said something about the ideology going too far? Or do they support all aspects, no matter how extreme, all they way up to the white house?
I think that there are some tendencies in that direction; the in-fighting amongst some progressive communities can be very silly, and there is a tendency for people to adopt a "more woke than you" attitude. However, I've read plenty of stuff from within the left warning against this rather narcissist narrative.
Having said that, my question for you is how you regard adult transexuals who are totally happy with their life as the gender they identify with. Can you accept them for what they are?
I have. Since long before this issue came up around the political scene, as it has in the last decade or so.
You do know I worked for a chain of adult novelty shops before the days of internet, right? Can you imagine who I met? Worked with? Smoked with?
