'Overwhelmingly non-religious'

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'Overwhelmingly non-religious'

Post by Rum » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:20 pm

"An overwhelming 72% of 18-24 year-olds are non-religious, new data from the British Social Attitudes Survey has shown.

The following of the Church of England, meanwhile, has fallen to just 3%.

72% of young people are not religious, yet 100% of state schools require daily collective worship. How can this be right?"

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Re: 'Overwhelmingly non-religious'

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:40 pm

Religion persists in the school system because we, as a society, still cling to this notion that religiosity acts as an improving force on the character of the young. The sooner we put the 'ethics' of religion out of the classroom the better imo. The alternative of course it giving young people the tools to arrive at ethical judgements for themselves.
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Re: 'Overwhelmingly non-religious'

Post by Rum » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:58 pm

As a retired schools' officer I can tell you that religion is still taught in schools because we have a state religion.

As it happens nearly all the teaching around the subject is of a 'comparative' nature. Which is something - often humanism is discussed too as well as atheism. A large percentage of those who teach it are at best agnostic too.

Sadly though most state schools have a moral foundation that a head teacher will always insist is religious in some way.

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Re: 'Overwhelmingly non-religious'

Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:56 pm

When Liz buggers off the c of e will disappear. Here we dont do religion in schools. There are less than 5% that go to church at least once a month. The sooner it is got ridden of the better.
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Post by Rum » Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:18 pm

Somehow I knew that the Netherlands would be better. :hehe:

Our state schools - the majority - aren't religious per se. They are required to have a 'worship' now and again. We also have Church of England Schools and Catholic schools but they are about 10% of all schools.

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Post by JimC » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:50 pm

The number of people stating "no religion" in the census has increased steadily in Oz, mostly amongst the young...
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Re: 'Overwhelmingly non-religious'

Post by Hermit » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:41 pm

Rum wrote:
72% of young people are not religious, yet 100% of state schools require daily collective worship. How can this be right?
https://www.facebook.com/humanists.uk/p ... =3&theater
The pie chart labels 72% of young people as "non-religious", which is not the same as not being religious. "Non-religious" people may be atheists. More likely most do believe in some form of supernatural agency - just not within the framework of a formal, religious institution such as the Anglican Church or its Papish enemy..
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Post by JimC » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:45 pm

Actually, I think most of them will not be definite atheists, just young people who don't give a shit about anything to do with religion - it is irrelevant to their lives...
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Post by devogue » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:59 pm

I would say "overwhelming" is 92% or more.

72% is "largely".

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Post by Hermit » Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:23 pm

devogue wrote:I would say "overwhelming" is 92% or more.

72% is "largely".
In the somewhat unlikely scenario where push came to shove, the odds are very much in favour of 72 people overwhelming 28, but yes, "largely" looks more appropriate to me too.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:19 am

Meanwhile in Britain:
Record number of British people say they have no religion


News prompts fresh calls for Government to cut amount of public money going to the church and reduce its influence in society


The number of Britons who say they have no religion has hit a record high, new data has revealed.

More than half of the British public (53 per cent) say they are not at all religious – a figure that has increased by five percentage points since 2015 and by 19 percentage points since 1983, when just three in 10 people deemed themselves non-religious.

The news has prompted fresh calls for the Government to cut the amount of public money going to the church and reduce its influence in society.

The decline in religious affiliation is hitting the Church of England particularly hard, with the number of people considering themselves Anglican having halved since 2000 – at just 15 per cent. Young people were particularly under-represented, with just 3 per cent of those aged 18-24 describing themselves as Anglican, compared with 40 per cent of those aged 75 and over.
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Re: 'Overwhelmingly non-religious'

Post by JimC » Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:59 pm

A stanza from Matthew Arnold's "Dover Beach" seems appropriate for this thread:

The Sea of Faith
Was once, too, at the full, and round earth’s shore
Lay like the folds of a bright girdle furled.
But now I only hear
Its melancholy, long, withdrawing roar,
Retreating, to the breath
Of the night-wind, down the vast edges drear
And naked shingles of the world.
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Re: 'Overwhelmingly non-religious'

Post by Rum » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:10 pm

I had to read that several times to understand it. And I'm still not sure I got it all. What an amazing few lines of text.

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Re: 'Overwhelmingly non-religious'

Post by NineBerry » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:20 pm

Hihihi. Naked shingles. Hihihihi

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Re: 'Overwhelmingly non-religious'

Post by JimC » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:52 pm

Rum wrote:I had to read that several times to understand it. And I'm still not sure I got it all. What an amazing few lines of text.
The full poem is definitely worth a read - one of my favourites...
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