Don't mean totally quiet, left a few hints....about. Not enough to prove his existence and ruin the freedom of your moral choices.... *
* doesn't apply to me, I'm a nihilist....
What if God is real but quiet to max out your free choices?
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Re: What if God is real but quiet to max out your free choic
If there is a god, there are no free choices. If God knows the future, then your choices are already ordained.
If everyone has a free choice, then there isn't one single knowable future. There are squillions of them.
If everyone has a free choice, then there isn't one single knowable future. There are squillions of them.
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Re: What if God is real but quiet to max out your free choic
In the extremely unlikely event there is a god, he, she or it can fuck off...
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Re: What if God is real but quiet to max out your free choic
Um, knowing the future is not the same thing as determining the future.mistermack wrote:If there is a god, there are no free choices. If God knows the future, then your choices are already ordained.
If everyone has a free choice, then there isn't one single knowable future. There are squillions of them.
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"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
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Re: What if God is real but quiet to max out your free choic
One hopes you don't live to regret that....JimC wrote:In the extremely unlikely event there is a god, he, she or it can fuck off...
"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
© 2013/2014/2015/2016 Seth, all rights reserved. No reuse, republication, duplication, or derivative work is authorized.
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
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Re: What if God is real but quiet to max out your free choic
I suspect you mean die to regret that...Seth wrote:One hopes you don't live to regret that....JimC wrote:In the extremely unlikely event there is a god, he, she or it can fuck off...
I'll take my chances - they're pretty good, I think...
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Re: What if God is real but quiet to max out your free choic
Why should he, can't you tell god to fuck off?
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Re: What if God is real but quiet to max out your free choic
What if he's batshit crazy, has completely forgotten he is god, and is living happily as pondslime?
What if he is a sadistic fuck that really gets off on all the bloodshed, guilt and internecine arguments?
What if he's only 3 years old (in god-years) and he made this world but was then sent to bed without his parents noticing?
What if he's a fucking mormon?
All of these are equally valid (and equally pointless) questions.
We have no evidence for god other than claims of personal revelation, bad pseudoscience and dubious, historic texts. Picking one from the lucky-dip of religious multiplicity might sound like sense to some. Not to me, thanks. I have no idea if god exists and know nothing about its nature if it does - the sensible course is to act as if he doesn't exist until things are decided either way.
What if he is a sadistic fuck that really gets off on all the bloodshed, guilt and internecine arguments?
What if he's only 3 years old (in god-years) and he made this world but was then sent to bed without his parents noticing?
What if he's a fucking mormon?
All of these are equally valid (and equally pointless) questions.
We have no evidence for god other than claims of personal revelation, bad pseudoscience and dubious, historic texts. Picking one from the lucky-dip of religious multiplicity might sound like sense to some. Not to me, thanks. I have no idea if god exists and know nothing about its nature if it does - the sensible course is to act as if he doesn't exist until things are decided either way.
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Re: What if God is real but quiet to max out your free choic
It does mean that the future is predetermined and that there is no such thing as 'free will' however. Mistermack correctly identified a possible logical fault in Scumple's hypothetical. Unless Scumple's god is quiet not because he knows we know he knows the future and will do what he (or she, I'd much rather have a female god personally) wants and says because of that.Seth wrote:Um, knowing the future is not the same thing as determining the future.mistermack wrote:If there is a god, there are no free choices. If God knows the future, then your choices are already ordained.
If everyone has a free choice, then there isn't one single knowable future. There are squillions of them.
It's like do we do what god wants because it's her will or is it her will that causes us to do what she wants? Right?
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Re: What if God is real but quiet to max out your free choic
It is also possible (if we accept the concept of an omnipotent, omniscient god as at all possible - but that's not for here) that the future is not fixed but that this god chappie knows all possible futures and how all possible actions of all creatures will affect things. Perhaps she keeps its interference to the absolute minimum necessary to propel the universe in his preferred direction?Făkünamę wrote:It does mean that the future is predetermined and that there is no such thing as 'free will' however. Mistermack correctly identified a possible logical fault in Scumple's hypothetical. Unless Scumple's god is quiet not because he knows we know he knows the future and will do what he (or she, I'd much rather have a female god personally) wants and says because of that.Seth wrote:Um, knowing the future is not the same thing as determining the future.mistermack wrote:If there is a god, there are no free choices. If God knows the future, then your choices are already ordained.
If everyone has a free choice, then there isn't one single knowable future. There are squillions of them.
It's like do we do what god wants because it's her will or is it her will that causes us to do what she wants? Right?
Or maybe not. Maybe god doesn't speak to us because of a profound love of mime.
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I think we should do whatever Pawiz wants.
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You talk to God, you're religious. God talks to you, you're psychotic.
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This is the wrong forum for bluffing
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Yes, yes. But first I need to show you this venomous fish!
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I think we should do whatever Pawiz wants.
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Re: What if God is real but quiet to max out your free choic
Mime gods are scary, just like clown gods... 
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Re: What if God is real but quiet to max out your free choic
When you deny god, you are putting him inside an invisible box.JimC wrote:Mime gods are scary, just like clown gods...
A book is a version of the world. If you do not like it, ignore it; or offer your own version in return.
Salman Rushdie
You talk to God, you're religious. God talks to you, you're psychotic.
House MD
Who needs a meaning anyway, I'd settle anyday for a very fine view.
Sandy Denny
This is the wrong forum for bluffing
Paco
Yes, yes. But first I need to show you this venomous fish!
Calilasseia
I think we should do whatever Pawiz wants.
Twoflower
Bella squats momentarily then waddles on still peeing, like a horse
Millefleur
Salman Rushdie
You talk to God, you're religious. God talks to you, you're psychotic.
House MD
Who needs a meaning anyway, I'd settle anyday for a very fine view.
Sandy Denny
This is the wrong forum for bluffing
Paco
Yes, yes. But first I need to show you this venomous fish!
Calilasseia
I think we should do whatever Pawiz wants.
Twoflower
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Re: What if God is real but quiet to max out your free choic
With a vial of poisonous gas, and a random number generator!Xamonas Chegwé wrote:When you deny god, you are putting him inside an invisible box.JimC wrote:Mime gods are scary, just like clown gods...
Schrodinger's god!
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Re: What if God is real but quiet to max out your free choic
Knowing the future, on the other hand, means that it is determined. That makes it impossible to argue, as Mistermack noted, that your "choices" are not already ordained. I cannot think of a more logically absurd proposition than to assert that free will and the ability to know the future can simultaneously exist.Seth wrote:Um, knowing the future is not the same thing as determining the future.mistermack wrote:If there is a god, there are no free choices. If God knows the future, then your choices are already ordained.
If everyone has a free choice, then there isn't one single knowable future. There are squillions of them.
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