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Religion boosting crime

Post by Blind groper » Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:02 am

Juicy little tidbit in the 30 June New Scientist.

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"Azim Shariff at the university of Oregon in Eugene and his colleagues compared crime data from 67 countries with people's belief in the afterlife. Even after controlling for crime related factors including GDP, national crime rates were typically higher in countries with particularly strong beliefs in heaven but weak beliefs in hell."

So it would appear that the classic religious nonsense about a loving God who will welcome you to heaven, if not counter-balanced by really nasty promises of eternal damnation, will actually lead people into crime. After all, if that wonderful deity is gonna give you heaven after death, why not screw your neighbours while you are alive?

As always, atheists overall have lower criminal offending than the religious.
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Re: Religion boosting crime

Post by JimC » Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:11 am

Blind groper wrote:Juicy little tidbit in the 30 June New Scientist.

I quote :

"Azim Shariff at the university of Oregon in Eugene and his colleagues compared crime data from 67 countries with people's belief in the afterlife. Even after controlling for crime related factors including GDP, national crime rates were typically higher in countries with particularly strong beliefs in heaven but weak beliefs in hell."

So it would appear that the classic religious nonsense about a loving God who will welcome you to heaven, if not counter-balanced by really nasty promises of eternal damnation, will actually lead people into crime. After all, if that wonderful deity is gonna give you heaven after death, why not screw your neighbours while you are alive?

As always, atheists overall have lower criminal offending than the religious.
Fundies will use this finding as a weapon against wishy-washy liberal christians...
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Re: Religion boosting crime

Post by maiforpeace » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:02 am

JimC wrote:
Blind groper wrote:Juicy little tidbit in the 30 June New Scientist.

I quote :

"Azim Shariff at the university of Oregon in Eugene and his colleagues compared crime data from 67 countries with people's belief in the afterlife. Even after controlling for crime related factors including GDP, national crime rates were typically higher in countries with particularly strong beliefs in heaven but weak beliefs in hell."

So it would appear that the classic religious nonsense about a loving God who will welcome you to heaven, if not counter-balanced by really nasty promises of eternal damnation, will actually lead people into crime. After all, if that wonderful deity is gonna give you heaven after death, why not screw your neighbours while you are alive?

As always, atheists overall have lower criminal offending than the religious.
Fundies will use this finding as a weapon against wishy-washy liberal christians...
While patently ignoring the fact that atheists are the group that have the last criminal offenses. :roll:
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Re: Religion boosting crime

Post by JimC » Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:35 am

maiforpeace wrote:
JimC wrote:
Blind groper wrote:Juicy little tidbit in the 30 June New Scientist.

I quote :

"Azim Shariff at the university of Oregon in Eugene and his colleagues compared crime data from 67 countries with people's belief in the afterlife. Even after controlling for crime related factors including GDP, national crime rates were typically higher in countries with particularly strong beliefs in heaven but weak beliefs in hell."

So it would appear that the classic religious nonsense about a loving God who will welcome you to heaven, if not counter-balanced by really nasty promises of eternal damnation, will actually lead people into crime. After all, if that wonderful deity is gonna give you heaven after death, why not screw your neighbours while you are alive?

As always, atheists overall have lower criminal offending than the religious.
Fundies will use this finding as a weapon against wishy-washy liberal christians...
While patently ignoring the fact that atheists are the group that have the last criminal offenses. :roll:
True, but in some ways, I suspect wishy-washy christians offend them more than we do...
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Post by Tyrannical » Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:36 am

Blind groper wrote:Juicy little tidbit in the 30 June New Scientist.

I quote :

"Azim Shariff at the university of Oregon in Eugene and his colleagues compared crime data from 67 countries with people's belief in the afterlife. Even after controlling for crime related factors including GDP, national crime rates were typically higher in countries with particularly strong beliefs in heaven but weak beliefs in hell."

So it would appear that the classic religious nonsense about a loving God who will welcome you to heaven, if not counter-balanced by really nasty promises of eternal damnation, will actually lead people into crime. After all, if that wonderful deity is gonna give you heaven after death, why not screw your neighbours while you are alive?

As always, atheists overall have lower criminal offending than the religious.
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Re: Religion boosting crime

Post by tattuchu » Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:20 pm

Tyrannical wrote: Fire and Brimstone Baby!
Nothing like instilling a healthy belief in burning in Hell for all eternity to get people to behave themselves :prof:
Christfags like to say that without the threat of damnation, that we can do anything we want. But I find the opposite to be true. Christfags tend to do whatever they please because they know all they have to do, in the end, is whip out their get-out-of-Hell-free card. Say you're sorry, accept Christ as your savior*, and Bob's yer uncle.

*Whatever that means exactly, but I guess you don't have to know exactly what it means. All you have to do is say it, because God is stupid like that and can't recognize understanding from ignorance or sincerity from insincerity.
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Re: Religion boosting crime

Post by rasetsu » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:02 am




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Post by amused » Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:50 am

tattuchu wrote:
Tyrannical wrote: Fire and Brimstone Baby!
Nothing like instilling a healthy belief in burning in Hell for all eternity to get people to behave themselves :prof:
Christfags like to say that without the threat of damnation, that we can do anything we want. But I find the opposite to be true. Christfags tend to do whatever they please because they know all they have to do, in the end, is whip out their get-out-of-Hell-free card. Say you're sorry, accept Christ as your savior*, and Bob's yer uncle.

*Whatever that means exactly, but I guess you don't have to know exactly what it means. All you have to do is say it, because God is stupid like that and can't recognize understanding from ignorance or sincerity from insincerity.
Same experience here. I especially avoid businesses with the little fish symbol as part of their advertising because it's a sure sign of a crook.

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Post by cupper3 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:17 pm

amused wrote:
tattuchu wrote:
Tyrannical wrote: Fire and Brimstone Baby!
Nothing like instilling a healthy belief in burning in Hell for all eternity to get people to behave themselves :prof:
Christfags like to say that without the threat of damnation, that we can do anything we want. But I find the opposite to be true. Christfags tend to do whatever they please because they know all they have to do, in the end, is whip out their get-out-of-Hell-free card. Say you're sorry, accept Christ as your savior*, and Bob's yer uncle.

*Whatever that means exactly, but I guess you don't have to know exactly what it means. All you have to do is say it, because God is stupid like that and can't recognize understanding from ignorance or sincerity from insincerity.
Same experience here. I especially avoid businesses with the little fish symbol as part of their advertising because it's a sure sign of a crook.
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Re: Religion boosting crime

Post by Atheist-Lite » Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:25 pm

Do anything wrong in this simulation and the next will compensate by making your life a fucking misery. Now stop mocking religion and lets get science sorted out. Too many geeks working in the 'defence' industries and not enough on the real problems we face like the bloody icecaps melting. :smoke:
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Re: Religion boosting crime

Post by Atheist-Lite » Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:14 am

I tell you all now and I'll say it once only. Quit making weapons of any kind, get to task on the climate and the mass extinction, or I'll see to it the memory dump at the end of your simulated existence will be kept completely intact and used to put you through a life of hell, whilst knowing why you are there. :crumple:
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Post by rasetsu » Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:46 am

Crumple wrote:I tell you all now and I'll say it once only. Quit making weapons of any kind, get to task on the climate and the mass extinction, or I'll see to it the memory dump at the end of your simulated existence will be kept completely intact and used to put you through a life of hell, whilst knowing why you are there. :crumple:
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Re: Religion boosting crime

Post by Atheist-Lite » Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:50 am



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