Religion sidelined by 'militant secularisation', says Baroness WarsiBritain is under threat from a rising tide of "militant secularisation", a Cabinet minister has warned.
Conservative Party co-chairman Baroness Warsi will argue during an official visit to the Vatican that religion must be given a greater role in public life.
She warns in the Daily Telegraph that religion is being sidelined and will highlight the issue in a speech later.
Her visit marks the 30th anniversary of the re-establishment of full diplomatic ties between Britain and the Vatican.
The Tory peer will use her speech - the first to the Pontifical Ecclesiastical Academy by an outside minister - to call for Europe to become more "confident in its Christianity".
"In order to encourage social harmony, people need to feel stronger in their religious identities, more confident in their beliefs," she is due to say.
"In practice this means individuals not diluting their faiths and nations not denying their religious heritages.
"If you take this thought to its conclusion then the idea you're left with is this: Europe needs to become more confident in its Christianity."
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Baroness Warsi said examples of a "militant secularisation" taking hold of society included when signs of religion cannot be displayed or worn in government buildings, and when states will not fund faith schools.
Her comments come days after the High Court ruled that a Devon town council acted unlawfully by allowing prayers to be said at meetings.
And - as the BBC's religious affairs correspondent Robert Piggot reports - the Church of England could soon lose its traditional role as the provider of the chief chaplain to the Prison Service.
The Ministry of Justice has confirmed it is "considering arrangements" for appointing a new Chaplain-General - but the job might not go to an Anglican.
Our correspondent says the move may be seen by some Anglicans as the latest sign of the reduced influence of the "established" Church of England in public affairs.
The speech by Lady Warsi, Britain's first female Muslim Cabinet minister, will also compare the intolerance of religion with totalitarian regimes.
BBC political correspondent Louise Stewart said it was not the first time a senior Conservative had called for a revival of traditional Christian values.
"Last December, Prime Minister David Cameron said the UK was a Christian country and 'should not be afraid to say so'," she said.
Lady Warsi's two-day delegation of seven British ministers to the Holy See will include an audience with Pope Benedict XVI, who visited the UK in 2010.
Meanwhile, new research suggests Britons who declare themselves Christian display low levels of belief and practice.
Almost three quarters of the 1,136 people polled by Ipsos Mori agreed that religion should not influence public policy, and 92% agreed the law should apply to everyone equally, regardless of their personal beliefs.
It also found that 61% of Christians agreed homosexuals should have the same legal rights in all aspects of their lives as heterosexuals.
And a further 62% were in favour of a woman's right to have an abortion within the legal time limit.
The survey was conducted for the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science, which publicises and supports secular charitable organisations.
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Militant secularism: We want everyone to have the right to do whatever they want to do and we intend to kill anyone that refuses to! 

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I'm going to take orders from the guy in the funny hat who is the voice of the invisible supreme being and you can't stop me!! 
Edit: Oh, wait. I'm not British...

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Is it just me, or are the emphasized passages somewhat at odds with each other? History doesn't seem to support these feel-good thoughts."In order to encourage social harmony, people need to feel stronger in their religious identities, more confident in their beliefs," she is due to say.
"In practice this means individuals not diluting their faiths and nations not denying their religious heritages."
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Yes, they're at odds with each other and reality.
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Well, the "reality" part goes without saying, to me.
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Being a Muslim she must have a death wish given what happens every time Europe gets pumped up with Christianity? Then modern Muslims do seem to have cornered the market on the death wish genre at present? 

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I see we're back to ending declarative sentences with a question mark again? 

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??FBM wrote:I see we're back to ending declarative sentences with a question mark again?

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Re: Militant secularists taking over Britain.Oh noes!!:hairf
Interesting to see a senior Muslim so eagerly referencing ChristianityReligion sidelined by militant secularisation says Baroness WarsiBritain is under threat from a rising tide of militant secularisation a Cabinet minister has warned
Conservative Party co chairman Baroness Warsi will argue during an official visit to the Vatican that religion must be given a greater role in public life
She warns in the Daily Telegraph that religion is being sidelined and will highlight the issue in a speech later
Her visit marks the 30th anniversary of the re establishment of full diplomatic ties between Britain and the Vatican
The Tory peer will use her speech - the first to the Pontifical Ecclesiastical Academy by an outside minister - to call for Europe to become more confident in its Christianity
In order to encourage social harmony people need to feel stronger in their religious identities more confident in their beliefs she is due to say
In practice this means individuals not diluting their faiths and nations not denying their religious heritages
If you take this thought to its conclusion then the idea you're left with is this : Europe needs to become more confident in its Christianity
Faith schools
Baroness Warsi said examples of a militant secularisation taking hold of society included when signs of religion cannot be displayed or worn in government buildings and when states will not fund faith schools
Her comments come days after the High Court ruled that a Devon town council acted unlawfully by allowing prayers to be said at meeting
And - as the BBC s religious affairs correspondent Robert Piggot reports - the Church of England could soon lose its traditional role as the provider of the chief chaplain to the Prison Service
The Ministry of Justice has confirmed it is considering arrangements for appointing a new Chaplain General - but the job might not go to an Anglican
Our correspondent says the move may be seen by some Anglicans as the latest sign of the reduced influence of the established Church of England in public affairs
The speech by Lady Warsi Britain s first female Muslim Cabinet minister, will also compare the intolerance of religion with totalitarian regimes
BBC political correspondent Louise Stewart said it was not the first time a senior Conservative had called for a revival of traditional Christian values
Last December Prime Minister David Cameron said the UK was a Christian country and 'should not be afraid to say so she said
Lady Warsi s two day delegation of seven British ministers to the Holy See will include an audience with Pope Benedict XVI who visited the UK in 2010
Meanwhile, new research suggests Britons who declare themselves Christian display low levels of belief and practice
Almost three quarters of the 1136 people polled by Ipsos Mori agreed that religion should not influence public policy and 92 per cent agreed the law should apply to everyone equally, regardless of their personal beliefs
It also found that 61 per cent of Christians agreed homosexuals should have the same legal rights in all aspects of their lives as heterosexuals
And a further 62 per cent were in favour of a woman's right to have an abortion within the legal time limit
The survey was conducted for the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science which publicises and supports secular charitable organisations
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Re: Militant secularists taking over Britain.Oh noes!!:hairf
Used to be said that the C of E was the Tory Party at prayer (before they went all sandals and tamborines).
Maybe it's more accurate nowadays to say that Tory Party is the C of E on Jihad?
Maybe someone should explain to the Baroness that not all Securalists are Atheists. and that removing religion from the State is the main reason we are not all still living in mud houses (Electrickery be the work of the devil!).
Maybe it's more accurate nowadays to say that Tory Party is the C of E on Jihad?

Maybe someone should explain to the Baroness that not all Securalists are Atheists. and that removing religion from the State is the main reason we are not all still living in mud houses (Electrickery be the work of the devil!).
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and maybe someone should explain to her that DRESSING LIKE A WHORE would get her killed in some parts of the world.....if she was let out of the house......and not in any secular societies.

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Re: Militant secularists taking over Britain.Oh noes!!:hairf
Well we are all on the same page here so there's not a lot to debate, however what was interesting was the large number of comments on the BBC news website the vast majority of which were anti Warsi's message.
(Scroll to bottom of the story) - here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17021831
(Scroll to bottom of the story) - here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17021831
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I was just about to post this story.
Boo-fucking-hoo. Religion is at risk of losing its historical privileges because not enough people care about it any more.
Boo-fucking-hoo. Religion is at risk of losing its historical privileges because not enough people care about it any more.
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Re: Militant secularists taking over Britain.Oh noes!!:hairf
Christ (!), every time that woman opens her gob, she puts her foot in it. And pisses me off. I guess it's her job.
Jesus_of_Nazareth wrote:and maybe someone should explain to her that DRESSING LIKE A WHORE would get her killed in some parts of the world.....if she was let out of the house......and not in any secular societies.
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Interesting to see a senior Muslim so eagerly referencing Christianity
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