More Evidences for God

[thepill]

hey Mandy, I thought you'd like a picture of your mother

mate, you got one dirty mind. i think you are starved of sex. you should get married and have a happy life.
if you cant find a woman, then join a muslim dating agency. but you have to be a muslim to pull.
just convert to islam and all the lovely muslim girls with beautiful hijabs will be all over you.

you have to be a muslim to pull. Humm, I think I'd rather just pull my own.

[thepill]

yes, Koran is written up there in very far remote part of the 7th universe and stored there in massive data base. mate, our universe is not the only universe. there are other ones which we cant see. they are hidden by Allah. those who make it to paradise will get to go there and see them. That is where the holy books exists. Koran is perfect word of Allah which Angel Gabriel brought down to Prophet Mohammad. its the best book even known to man. it contains all the guidance and good advice you will ever need about everything important.

Mandy, is this all in the Koran, especially the bit about the database. Now that would be impressive, or is it just your Interpretation? Is Mohammhead the inventor of the database?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Is Mohammhead the inventor of the database?

And did he copyright it in the US.

[thepill]

Yes it was the CODASYL
ooops GODASYL standard

[A Monkey Shaved]

Do you honestly believe Allah wrote the Koran with the hand of the Prophet Mohammad like he was using some form of divinely inspired automatic writing?

yes, Koran is written up there in very far remote part of the 7th universe and stored there in massive data base. mate, our universe is not the only universe. there are other ones which we cant see. they are hidden by Allah. those who make it to paradise will get to go there and see them. That is where the holy books exists. Koran is perfect word of Allah which Angel Gabriel brought down to Prophet Mohammad. its the best book even known to man. it contains all the guidance and good advice you will ever need about everything important.

Sounds like the old trap of circular reasoning so many Christian fundies fall in to.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Sounds like the old trap of circular reasoning so many Christian fundies fall in to.

POE-standard reply.

[amedio]

in that old thread, i gave these 2 evidences for existence of a intelligent creator. read them there for full details. here are the short versions for scientific minded people.

where else did matter come from if not created by God; and who else makes things so pretty if not God?

1. existence of beauty is evidence that there has to be a designer artist.
2. existence of a big universe is evidence that there has to be a creator.

matter and pretty matter points to existence of a powerful and beautiful God.

Beauty is subjective. After all, everyone has there own taste in what beauty is. One man might assume a god created a woman that is beautiful; however, the next man might never even give her a second look. Some people differ in what cars are beautiful. Some people might think Mopar muscle cars are far more beatiful than GM or Ford muscle cars. People's taste in what is or what is not beautiful different.

Who created the creator? I think it is bias to use such reasoning if you are not going to apply it to your own subject. Such an example is when Christians ask a non-believer, "What if you are wrong?" Christians want the non-believer to respond, "I will go to hell." Yet another example of bias reasoning. There is more religions than just Christianity. I usually reply by asking what if the Muslims are right. Then you and I are both screwed.

More importantly, if a watch was created by a watchmaker, and the watchmaker was created by the creator, then who created the creator? Now we are at a regress.

I think the universe as a well as beauty are poor arguments/evidence for a god/creator.

[mandy]

in that old thread, i gave these 2 evidences for existence of a intelligent creator. read them there for full details. here are the short versions for scientific minded people.

where else did matter come from if not created by God; and who else makes things so pretty if not God?

1. existence of beauty is evidence that there has to be a designer artist.
2. existence of a big universe is evidence that there has to be a creator.

matter and pretty matter points to existence of a powerful and beautiful God.

Beauty is subjective. After all, everyone has there own taste in what beauty is. One man might assume a god created a woman that is beautiful; however, the next man might never even give her a second look. Some people differ in what cars are beautiful. Some people might think Mopar muscle cars are far more beatiful than GM or Ford muscle cars. People's taste in what is or what is not beautiful different..

beauty is not subjective. saying so is subjective.
what you are saying is that if everyone says that particular thing is ugly, that it must be ugly. well, thats just bollox.

there is such thing as beauty and its existence proves God designed it. pretty things point to God.
go back and take another look at divine work of art.

[GenesForLife]

The Ebola virus is such a thing of beauty, why don't you infect yourself mate?

[Svartalf]

He's saving himself for Marburg

[Rob]

I just thought I should point out that the word evidence is also plural. Just thought you should know.

[Bella Fortuna]

I just thought I should point out that the word evidence is also plural. Just thought you should know.

It's all part of the persona, though.

[hiyymer]

beauty is not subjective. saying so is subjective.
what you are saying is that if everyone says that particular thing is ugly, that it must be ugly. well, thats just bollox.

there is such thing as beauty and its existence proves God designed it. pretty things point to God.
go back and take another look at divine work of art.

Beauty has to be subjective. It only exists in our experience created by our brain. Just start with the realization that the experience of color is not in the thing out there. The tree is not green. The tree is reflecting light in a certain way. The brain interprets that as "green" and creates the experience of green. Calling something "beautiful" is only acknowledging an emotional bodily state produced chemically as a reaction to a subjective experience. It FEELS beautiful. The beautiful awe-inspiring sunset with it's variegated hues of yellow and orange and pink is not out there. It is an experience that is entirely inside your head and in the state of the chemicals coursing through your body. What is out there is a bunch of photons bouncing around through the air pollution in the atmosphere.

I don't argue with your experience of God for a minute, or with your attribution of the experience of beauty to God. What I argue with is your assertion that that experience is "objective". God is real, and God is archetypal (our brains all tend to create our experience in a similar way), but God is not objective and does not exist objectively as the thing we experience, any more than the tree out there is actually green.

[cowiz]

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