I will not shoot the next priest I see...

[Warren Dew]

There is no rehabilitation for a person whose sexuality is oriented to children.

To suggest that there is is to suggest that a straight person could be rehabilitated out of being straight.

Paedophiles don't just decide to rape a child the way a burglar decides to rob a house.

Perhaps there can be some success in getting paedophiles to suppress their urges, but they can't be "cured".

(Or so I read. Maybe I'm wrong).

There are plenty of straight people who don't commit rape, or even statutory rape.

And I'm not so sure burglars' tendencies can be rehabilitated out of them, either. Recidivism statistics would suggest otherwise.

[JimC]

There is no rehabilitation for a person whose sexuality is oriented to children.

To suggest that there is is to suggest that a straight person could be rehabilitated out of being straight.

Paedophiles don't just decide to rape a child the way a burglar decides to rob a house.

Perhaps there can be some success in getting paedophiles to suppress their urges, but they can't be "cured".

(Or so I read. Maybe I'm wrong).

There are plenty of straight people who don't commit rape, or even statutory rape.

And I'm not so sure burglars' tendencies can be rehabilitated out of them, either. Recidivism statistics would suggest otherwise.

Straight or gay people who are attracted to sexually mature individuals have (usually) plenty of opportunity for legal sexual encounters with consenting partners. Paedophiles don't...

[Hermit]

There is no rehabilitation for a person whose sexuality is oriented to children.

To suggest that there is is to suggest that a straight person could be rehabilitated out of being straight.

Paedophiles don't just decide to rape a child the way a burglar decides to rob a house.

Perhaps there can be some success in getting paedophiles to suppress their urges, but they can't be "cured".

(Or so I read. Maybe I'm wrong).

What you read is wrong:

Sample and Bray (2006) examined recidivism for sex offenders,
differentiating between seven categories of offenses: child pornography, child molestation,
pedophilia, hebophilia, rape, registration violations, and other. Their results indicated that even
after accounting for lock-up time, child molesters had the highest felony offense general
recidivism rate five years following their initial offense (51.9%), followed by rapists (49.1%) and
the “other” (48.6%) category. Yet, despite these seemingly high general recidivism rates, none
of the sex offender sub-groups had a sex-offense specific recidivism rate greater than six percent.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/238060.pdf

That rate of recidivism turns out to be significantly lower than the rate of criminals engaging in acts other than paedophilia.

[Cormac]

There is no rehabilitation for a person whose sexuality is oriented to children.

To suggest that there is is to suggest that a straight person could be rehabilitated out of being straight.

Paedophiles don't just decide to rape a child the way a burglar decides to rob a house.

Perhaps there can be some success in getting paedophiles to suppress their urges, but they can't be "cured".

(Or so I read. Maybe I'm wrong).

There are plenty of straight people who don't commit rape, or even statutory rape.

And I'm not so sure burglars' tendencies can be rehabilitated out of them, either. Recidivism statistics would suggest otherwise.

It is always rape when an adult gas sex with a child, because as a society we have declared that to be the case. (I make an exception for those cases where there is closeness in age).

Straight people and gay people can be paedophiles, most aren't, I think and hope.

Burglars don't rob houses driven by an extreme twist on human reproductive instincts, I think. While recidivism is high, I'd argue that if a habitual burglar won the lottery, he'd not be bothered to burgle for a long time. However, surround a paedophile with many beautiful and willing men and women and he or she is highly unlikely to cease raping children.

[Cormac]

There is no rehabilitation for a person whose sexuality is oriented to children.

To suggest that there is is to suggest that a straight person could be rehabilitated out of being straight.

Paedophiles don't just decide to rape a child the way a burglar decides to rob a house.

Perhaps there can be some success in getting paedophiles to suppress their urges, but they can't be "cured".

(Or so I read. Maybe I'm wrong).

There are plenty of straight people who don't commit rape, or even statutory rape.

And I'm not so sure burglars' tendencies can be rehabilitated out of them, either. Recidivism statistics would suggest otherwise.

It is always rape when an adult gas sex with a child, because as a society we have declared that to be the case. (I make an exception for those cases where there is closeness in age).

Straight people and gay people can be paedophiles, most aren't, I think and hope.

Burglars don't rob houses driven by an extreme twist on human reproductive instincts, I think. While recidivism is high, I'd argue that if a habitual burglar won the lottery, he'd not be bothered to burgle for a long time. However, surround a paedophile with many beautiful and willing men and women and he or she is highly unlikely to cease raping children.

[Warren Dew]

There is no rehabilitation for a person whose sexuality is oriented to children.

To suggest that there is is to suggest that a straight person could be rehabilitated out of being straight.

Paedophiles don't just decide to rape a child the way a burglar decides to rob a house.

Perhaps there can be some success in getting paedophiles to suppress their urges, but they can't be "cured".

(Or so I read. Maybe I'm wrong).

There are plenty of straight people who don't commit rape, or even statutory rape.

And I'm not so sure burglars' tendencies can be rehabilitated out of them, either. Recidivism statistics would suggest otherwise.

Straight or gay people who are attracted to sexually mature individuals have (usually) plenty of opportunity for legal sexual encounters with consenting partners.

And the ones who don't? Say, ugly guys with poor personal hygiene that aren't rich? We still expect them to refrain from rape, right? Without actually criminalizing ugliness, poor personal hygiene, and lack of money?

[Seth]

There is no rehabilitation for a person whose sexuality is oriented to children.

To suggest that there is is to suggest that a straight person could be rehabilitated out of being straight.

Paedophiles don't just decide to rape a child the way a burglar decides to rob a house.

Perhaps there can be some success in getting paedophiles to suppress their urges, but they can't be "cured".

(Or so I read. Maybe I'm wrong).

There are plenty of straight people who don't commit rape, or even statutory rape.

And I'm not so sure burglars' tendencies can be rehabilitated out of them, either. Recidivism statistics would suggest otherwise.

It is always rape when an adult gas sex with a child, because as a society we have declared that to be the case.

Well, it's a malum prohibitum offense, but is it a malum in se offense?

(I make an exception for those cases where there is closeness in age).

Why? If it's consensual in either case what is the difference in the injury to the victim between an age-differentiated sex act and a a peer-age sex act?

Straight people and gay people can be paedophiles, most aren't, I think and hope.

Last time I looked it up, and it's been awhile, the rate of pedophilia among gays is just about the same as it is in the general population.

[Hermit]

Burglars don't rob houses driven by an extreme twist on human reproductive instincts, I think. While recidivism is high, I'd argue that if a habitual burglar won the lottery, he'd not be bothered to burgle for a long time. However, surround a paedophile with many beautiful and willing men and women and he or she is highly unlikely to cease raping children.

Once again, you appear to be misinformed about recidivism. Check the link in my previous post. There are plenty of others along the same vein.

[Cormac]

Burglars don't rob houses driven by an extreme twist on human reproductive instincts, I think. While recidivism is high, I'd argue that if a habitual burglar won the lottery, he'd not be bothered to burgle for a long time. However, surround a paedophile with many beautiful and willing men and women and he or she is highly unlikely to cease raping children.

Once again, you appear to be misinformed about recidivism. Check the link in my previous post. There are plenty of others along the same vein.

I read up on the efficacy of treatment for paedophilia and recidivism rates for a debate on RDF years ago.

Reported recidivism for paedophilia varies dramatically throughout the world. One piece of research identified a range from 3% to 70%.

http://www.aifs.gov.au/acssa/pubs/newsl ... n25-3.html

(Being just one report).

[Mysturji]

The classic problem around here is that when...

...you are presented with facts, you try to argue against them. Nothing wrong with that, of course. The problem occurs when, after failing to do so, you adopt one or more of these four options: You ignore them. You repeat your view of what the facts are. You pronounce facts you disagree with to be irrelevant. You declare your position to be unassailable and get quite personal with those who disagree with you.

I revise something I mentioned above: In a way, it might be preferable to attempt a discussion with a fundamentalist theist.

Because at least they are teh funneh.
Seth is meh.