Questions for Mandy

[orpheus]

i think its immoral to stone a truely raped woman. Allah forbids it.
if i were a judge in islamic country i would not stone a woman who i believed was genuinely raped by a few boys and she werent asking for it. it would wrong be to stone her to death.

but if you look at whats happening in our UK courts, the judges dont beleive women when they cry rape. they let the guy go. police dont take seriously women who claim they have been raped. i was reading papers, they say very few cases of rape end up with jailing of men who did it.

My bold.

I fucking know: no apostrophe.

Makes you mad doesnt it

The whole thing makes me seethe on multiple levels, but I try to

You're a better man than I.

[MrFungus420]

hackenslash:

I have a question. Sorry if it's already come up, but I haven't read the whole thread.

Mandelson, do you think that stoning rape victims to death is a moral act?

coz atheists dont know what morality is or where is comes from, so i cant answer it for you.
but to you, i will say this according to your own made up moral values....

why not. if legitimate authority like senate passes the death law in america, then that law is the law. tough luck. therefore, if frying the brain of a person is in, then why is stoning out?
double standards are bollocks. only hypos have em.

That's nice.

Now, can you answer the question?

Do YOU (yes, you personally) think that stoning rape victims to death is a moral act.

[MrFungus420]

Law is the law but morals comes from Allah.

That's nice.

Now, can you answer the question?

Do YOU (yes, you personally) think that stoning rape victims to death is a moral act.

[MrFungus420]

i think its immoral to stone a truely raped woman. Allah forbids it.

Where?

if i were a judge in islamic country i would not stone a woman who i believed was genuinely raped by a few boys and she werent asking for it.

So you DO blame women for being raped.

[mandy]

i was reading papers, they say very few cases of rape end up with jailing of men who did it.

Coito ergo sum:
That depends on what source you're looking at. There are all sorts of statistics out there. What we do know, though, is that if a woman is raped she isn't going to be stoned for adultery.

but women get worse than that. they trumatised by being forced to go through the whole bloody experice all over gain. in london court, women sit in front of the men who raped them, and these boys keep giggling and then at the end the men go free. this messes up the poor lady for life. its so barbaric what stupid british courts do to women.

And, we do know that if she claims rape, her case will be investigated, the accused will be questioned, and if after that investigation there is probable cause to arrest he will be arrested.

but most guys get away with it. few cases end in imprionment. coppers dont believe women.

Of course western countries don't just take the word of an accuser of any crime that the accused did it.

i knew that. british courts dont trust what so called raped woman are saying. judges think she was asking for it and not playing the innocent.

There has to be evidence in order for there to be a conviction.

you are really a rocket scientists arent you.

And, naturally, the systems are imperfect, and sometimes the guilty go free, and sometimes the innocent are convicted.

there are no "systems" mate. There is just one Godly system and one Godless system. thats it. so dont say systems are not perfect. your system is not perfect. atheist system is screwed up than islamic system of justice. Allah dont make mistakes. His laws are perfect. your laws are messed up thats why you keep changing your stupid rules by saying oh no that was wrong, we need to free gays now. oh no that laws was bad idea, we need to stop showing porn videos to shools kids, oh no our banks were to free, we need to place restrictions on them, oh no, we need to let women vote now its look sbad if we dont, oh no we got it wrong... and on and on and bloody on... Its never ending. you know what i mean. its pathetics.

You can be sure that Allah's system has not devised any better a means to increase the reliability.

I can be sure, and i am sure mate. so dont pretend to know what i am sure about. why do you think people are converting to Allah's way? its coz they know man made justice system let them down. im not saying all man made laws are bollocks, most if you look at these stupid bills they keep passing and then changing every two minutes, then if you are honest, you can see its all bollocks. thats why Allah revelaed His best laws to prophet mohammed and he gave them to humanity. if you wanna be slave to man made laws, you go ahead. but i thin its pretty stupid. you would be thick to leave divine laws and submit yourself to lying politicians who cheat and rob you all the time. remember the british expenses scandal last year? hahahahaha.

[Thinking Aloud]

Heaven my boy, heaven. Thats where its all happening.

What's happening there?

In case you missed it - presuming this is the answer to your favourite holiday destination. Cheers!

[FBM]

Excuse me.

[Animavore]

I can be sure, and i am sure mate. so dont pretend to know what i am sure about. why do you think people are converting to Allah's way? its coz they know man made justice system let them down. im not saying all man made laws are bollocks, most if you look at these stupid bills they keep passing and then changing every two minutes, then if you are honest, you can see its all bollocks. thats why Allah revelaed His best laws to prophet mohammed and he gave them to humanity. if you wanna be slave to man made laws, you go ahead. but i thin its pretty stupid. you would be thick to leave divine laws and submit yourself to lying politicians who cheat and rob you all the time. remember the british expenses scandal last year? hahahahaha.

Do you remember the 13 year-old girl who was stoned to death in Somalia in a football stadium in 2008 after being gang-raped by 3 men? hahahahaha.

[hackenslash]

If allah (piss be upon him) doesn't make mistakes, then why is it necessary for his laws to be interpreted by men?

Moreover, all of this is predicated on this fuckwit actually existing. There's another thread about that. Are you going to provide the evidence you promised, or is it just the bum-custard rhetoric?

[MrFungus420]

i was reading papers, they say very few cases of rape end up with jailing of men who did it.

Coito ergo sum:
That depends on what source you're looking at. There are all sorts of statistics out there. What we do know, though, is that if a woman is raped she isn't going to be stoned for adultery.

but women get worse than that. they trumatised by being forced to go through the whole bloody experice all over gain. in london court, women sit in front of the men who raped them, and these boys keep giggling and then at the end the men go free. this messes up the poor lady for life. its so barbaric what stupid british courts do to women.

As opposed to stoning to death the victim of rape?

[mandy]

hackenslash, dont worry mate, just wait a minute, i havent forgot about that thread on evidence for Allah. if you want Allah, then im sure gonna give him to ya. i cant be here loggin all the time can i, i got to watch my foot team too. so please just dont be in such a rush.

[mandy]

MrFungus420:
Now, can you answer the question?
Do YOU (yes, you personally) think that stoning rape victims to death is a moral act.

you dont know nothing about morals. so leave it out mate.
but i said no to stoning the women. if she been properly raped then no stoning her.
but if not then why not. she asked for it. she got it.

Coito ergo sum:
What about a woman who is not truly raped? Is it o.k. to stone her?

if she aint been truly raped that means she is making it up.
then its up to the islamic judge to do what he wants with her. sometimes he will just give her only 100 lashes. but i think he will stone her coz thats what rules say. law is the law. is she is lying just to ket the boys in trouble, then she will be buried in the sand up to her shoulders and then she will be rocked. people will throw large stone to stone her to death. thats the islamic law for lying about sex. muslims take sex very seriously you know. we dont joke about it. you get stoned for screwing around.

:pissed:

[hackenslash]

I'm not your mate. That has to be earned.

[Animavore]

if she aint been truly raped that means she is making it up.
then its up to the islamic judge to do what he wants with her. sometimes he will just give her only 100 lashes. but i think he will stone her coz thats what rules say. law is the law. is she is lying just to ket the boys in trouble, then she will be buried in the sand up to her shoulders and then she will be rocked. people will throw large stone to stone her to death. thats the islamic law for lying about sex. muslims take sex very seriously you know. we dont joke about it.

:pissed:

I hope your mother, your sister and your daughter get raped and stoned to death for it.

[Pappa]

i was reading papers, they say very few cases of rape end up with jailing of men who did it.

There could be many reasons for that... lack of evidence, made up claims... who knows. If there's not enough evidence of a rape then obviously no action should be taken.

but women get worse than that. they trumatised by being forced to go through the whole bloody experice all over gain. in london court, women sit in front of the men who raped them, and these boys keep giggling and then at the end the men go free. this messes up the poor lady for life. its so barbaric what stupid british courts do to women.

Very often, testimony in rape cases by the accuser is given by video link nowadays. I sat on a jury where this happened. It makes it easier for the accuser to be open and frank while giving testimony and removes the possibility of them clamming up in front of the accused.