A secular debate about eating meat.

[Gallstones]

... Unfortunately cooking from scratch is not an American forté.

Slight tangent, sorry. But making things from scratch was very much the norm in my house growing up as a kid, and I'm grateful for it. I still try to make things from scratch as much as possible. When people see this...like, that I make pancakes from scratch for instance instead of from a box or even pre-made batter from a bottle- hell, my roommate even buys pre-made individually wrapped pancakes that you heat in the microwave!...well, they are astonished, and act as if it's some strange form of alchemy.

Pre-made batter It's 3 fucking ingredients mixed together in a bowl. Lazy cunts

And not only that, you can modify and adjust and fancy things up in ways that are even more magical.

[tattuchu]

And not only that, you can modify and adjust and fancy things up in ways that are even more magical.

I know, right? And I used pancakes as an example because they're quite possibly the easiest thing in the world to make. But I never make plain pancakes. I like oatmeal pancakes, or cornmeal, or blueberry, or...well, the possibilities are endless.

[sandinista]

And not only that, you can modify and adjust and fancy things up in ways that are even more magical.

I know, right? And I used pancakes as an example because they're quite possibly the easiest thing in the world to make. But I never make plain pancakes. I like oatmeal pancakes, or cornmeal, or blueberry, or...well, the possibilities are endless.

I had chokecherry pancakes once...thought they were Saskatoon berry's, had to spit out seed with every bite!

[Gallstones]

And not only that, you can modify and adjust and fancy things up in ways that are even more magical.

I know, right? And I used pancakes as an example because they're quite possibly the easiest thing in the world to make. But I never make plain pancakes. I like oatmeal pancakes, or cornmeal, or blueberry, or...well, the possibilities are endless.

Make me breakfast.

With bacon.

And coffee.

And juice--you fresh squeeze don't you?

[Gallstones]

And not only that, you can modify and adjust and fancy things up in ways that are even more magical.

I know, right? And I used pancakes as an example because they're quite possibly the easiest thing in the world to make. But I never make plain pancakes. I like oatmeal pancakes, or cornmeal, or blueberry, or...well, the possibilities are endless.

I had chokecherry pancakes once...thought they were Saskatoon berry's, had to spit out seed with every bite!

They are a bit tedious to pit.
Imagine pomegranate pancakes.

I brought strawberries with half and half and wildflower honey to work for lunch today.

[tattuchu]

And not only that, you can modify and adjust and fancy things up in ways that are even more magical.

I know, right? And I used pancakes as an example because they're quite possibly the easiest thing in the world to make. But I never make plain pancakes. I like oatmeal pancakes, or cornmeal, or blueberry, or...well, the possibilities are endless.

Make me breakfast.

With bacon.

And coffee.

And juice--you fresh squeeze don't you?

Sandi, I don't know what those things are. I don't understand Canadian English

Gallstones, I usually put some nutmeg and cinnamon (both freshly grated if possible) in my oatmeal pancakes, and a little bit of citrus peel to give it a nice flavor. I don't usually put sugar in them, because I drown them afterwards in real maple syrup

Juice? Um... No, I never fresh squeeze

[Sælir]

I think the outlook on eating meat varies a lot for where you come from. I suppose most animals here are raised in a way we would call humane. Sheep stay out up in the mountains during the summertime, cows go out twice a day at least all year (and during the summer they stay out most of the day) etc. They are not raised on corn but grass the whole year around. Although I do not think our chicken farms are different from anywhere else and I really think that´s a shame since their living conditions suck. Nobody here really thinks about eating meat as anything wrong and I suppose we just need more education on what´s happening in the world since we do have to import meat too and we don´t have a clue how the animals there are treated

Yes, and I consider it weird not making things from scratch

[Svartalf]

Actually, Sandinista, I know the kind of length a tru vegetarian has to go to eat right by his rules (used to know a macrobiotic follower, and spent some extended time living with a relative who won't touch flesh, fish nor egg)
It's definitely a lot easier to get any number of nutriments from meat related products, not to mention the fact you can spend less time cooking. If I were wealthy and had a cook as part of my staff, I might be more willing to indulge into complicated diets... ssince I don't, and I'd rather spend my time elsewhere than in the kitchen... well, I'll do like my ape ancestor and consume flesh.

[Svartalf]

There's no debate.

Some of us like eating meat.

Some don't.

End of story.

How about a secular debate about gin?

Some of us like their gin neat

Others need to mix it.

I don't like gin and my body is not designed to imbibe it as part of a balanced drinking regimen.
Vodka is the only way to drink humanely. And whiskey. And wine. And beer. Some rum or cognac once in a while. But never gin.

I was proposing a debate for gin drinkers. vodka topers not welcome, come back when we're addressing whiskey.

[sandinista]

Actually, Sandinista, I know the kind of length a tru vegetarian has to go to eat right by his rules (used to know a macrobiotic follower, and spent some extended time living with a relative who won't touch flesh, fish nor egg)
It's definitely a lot easier to get any number of nutriments from meat related products, not to mention the fact you can spend less time cooking. If I were wealthy and had a cook as part of my staff, I might be more willing to indulge into complicated diets... ssince I don't, and I'd rather spend my time elsewhere than in the kitchen... well, I'll do like my ape ancestor and consume flesh.

Sometimes...easier doesn't mean better. Sure it would be "easier" for me to eat at mcshit every day and sit on the couch watching TV, but I would prefer doing "harder" things I suppose. BTW, you don't need to be rich to be vegetarian, go to India.

[JimC]

sandinista wrote:

and now, after further evolution, a vegetarian diet is as healthy, in some cases more so, than a meat based diet.

1. There has been insufficient time for any major evolutionary change to our digestive system since the agricultural revolution. In physical terms, it is still adapted to the diet provided by a hunter-gatherer lifestyle.

2. A modern vegetarian diet may well be healthier than the diets of many in the west at the moment, who clearly consume more meat, fat, sugar etc than a normal hunter-gatherer diet would provide.

3. However, long term health on a vegetarian diet, possible though it undoubtedly is, requires very careful choices to avoid dietary deficiencies that a small amount of lean meat and fish per week will easily avoid.

Gin's not so bad, with tonic.

[Warren Dew]

And I used pancakes as an example because they're quite possibly the easiest thing in the world to make.

Roast beef is the easiest thing in the world to make. Heat up the oven, stick the roast in, take it out when it's done. None of this complicated "multiple ingredients" stuff.

[Warren Dew]

Actually, Sandinista, I know the kind of length a tru vegetarian has to go to eat right by his rules (used to know a macrobiotic follower, and spent some extended time living with a relative who won't touch flesh, fish nor egg)

If they allow themselves dairy and aren't allergic to it or lactose intolerant,they can get most of the nutrients missing from plant foods from dairy.

Of course, dairy cattle are possibly the least humanely treated of modern farm animals.

[Gallstones]

There's no debate.

Some of us like eating meat.

Some don't.

End of story.

How about a secular debate about gin?

Some of us like their gin neat

Others need to mix it.

I don't like gin and my body is not designed to imbibe it as part of a balanced drinking regimen.
Vodka is the only way to drink humanely. And whiskey. And wine. And beer. Some rum or cognac once in a while. But never gin.

I was proposing a debate for gin drinkers. vodka topers not welcome, come back when we're addressing whiskey.

• Vodka is more versatile than gin.

[Gallstones]

And not only that, you can modify and adjust and fancy things up in ways that are even more magical.

I know, right? And I used pancakes as an example because they're quite possibly the easiest thing in the world to make. But I never make plain pancakes. I like oatmeal pancakes, or cornmeal, or blueberry, or...well, the possibilities are endless.

Make me breakfast.

With bacon.

And coffee.

And juice--you fresh squeeze don't you?

Sandi, I don't know what those things are. I don't understand Canadian English

Gallstones, I usually put some nutmeg and cinnamon (both freshly grated if possible) in my oatmeal pancakes, and a little bit of citrus peel to give it a nice flavor. I don't usually put sugar in them, because I drown them afterwards in real maple syrup

Yes. pancakes don't need sugar really. I may try this. I like to use cinnamon with beef and nutmeg with chicken.

Juice? Um... No, I never fresh squeeze

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