Questions for Mandy

[Coito ergo sum]

Law is the law but morals comes from Allah.

And, Allah allows, and in appropriate circumstances requires, husband's to beat their wives.

And, apparently, for being raped they should be buried up to their necks and stoned to death:

A woman was stoned to death for adultery on Monday in an Islamist-controlled region of Somalia. Somali human rights officials said the woman, 23, had been raped, but the Islamist authorities determined that she was guilty of adultery. She was buried up to her neck and stoned after a crowd of thousands gathered at a soccer field in the town of Kismayu, which is controlled by the Shabab, a radical Islamist group.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/29/world ... ref=slogin

Well, morality, obviously is something that each person must determine on his or her own. Some, like you, suggest that you obey whatever Allah says to do. Things are moral because he says so, which is why you don't have any issue with wife beating and death penalties for rape victims. So, we know where you're coming from.

[Feck]

Law is the law but morals comes from Allah.

That's not what you indicated above. When asked whether or not you think it's moral, you cited the law of a "legitimate authority like senate".

By the way, that still doesn't answer the question. The question is: do you think stoning rape victims to death is a moral act?

The last nine words of the above post are redundant

[Coito ergo sum]

hackenslash:

I have a question. Sorry if it's already come up, but I haven't read the whole thread.

Mandelson, do you think that stoning rape victims to death is a moral act?

coz atheists dont know what morality is or where is comes from, so i cant answer it for you.
but to you, i will say this according to your own made up moral values....

That's true. We have hour own made up moral values. However, all you have is someone else's made up moral values that you pretend are somehow superior since you have chosen to blindly accept them wholesale without trying to decide for yourself what right and wrong behavior is. That's certainly your prerogative, but please don't pretend to some sort of superiority on this topic. To me, someone who gets the morality buffet is certainly no better than one who gets their a la carte.

[mandy]

i think its immoral to stone a truely raped woman. Allah forbids it.
if i were a judge in islamic country i would not stone a woman who i believed was genuinely raped by a few boys and she werent asking for it. it would wrong be to stone her to death.

but if you look at whats happening in our UK courts, the judges dont beleive women when they cry rape. they let the guy go. police dont take seriously women who claim they have been raped. i was reading papers, they say very few cases of rape end up with jailing of men who did it.

[Thinking Aloud]

What's your favourite holiday destination?

[mandy]

Heaven my boy, heaven. Thats where its all happening.

[Coito ergo sum]

i would not stone a woman who i believed was genuinely raped by a few boys.
but if you look at whats happening in our UK courts, the judges dont beleive women when they cry rape.

They believe them if the case is proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

they let the guy go.

They let the guy go if the case is not proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

police dont take seriously women who claim they have been raped.

That's not true at all. They take it very seriously.

i was reading papers, they say very few cases of rape end up with jailing of men who did it.

That depends on what source you're looking at. There are all sorts of statistics out there. What we do know, though, is that if a woman is raped she isn't going to be stoned for adultery. And, we do know that if she claims rape, her case will be investigated, the accused will be questioned, and if after that investigation there is probable cause to arrest he will be arrested.

Of course western countries don't just take the word of an accuser of any crime that the accused did it. There has to be evidence in order for there to be a conviction. And, naturally, the systems are imperfect, and sometimes the guilty go free, and sometimes the innocent are convicted. You can be sure that Allah's system has not devised any better a means to increase the reliability.

[Thinking Aloud]

Heaven my boy, heaven. Thats where its all happening.

What's happening there?

[Coito ergo sum]

Heaven my boy, heaven. Thats where it all is happening.

Will you be strapping on the dynamite vest now, or waiting until after supper? Be sure to take some Kafir with you, you know. That will speed you and your family's way on to Paradise. All hail Allah, BBUH.

[Coito ergo sum]

i think its immoral to stone a truely raped woman.

What about a woman who is not truly raped? Is it o.k. to stone her?

[Tigger]

What's your favourite holiday destination?

[cowiz]

i think its immoral to stone a truely raped woman. Allah forbids it.
if i were a judge in islamic country i would not stone a woman who i believed was genuinely raped by a few boys and she werent asking for it. it would wrong be to stone her to death.

but if you look at whats happening in our UK courts, the judges dont beleive women when they cry rape. they let the guy go. police dont take seriously women who claim they have been raped. i was reading papers, they say very few cases of rape end up with jailing of men who did it.

My bold.

[Tigger]

i think its immoral to stone a truely raped woman. Allah forbids it.
if i were a judge in islamic country i would not stone a woman who i believed was genuinely raped by a few boys and she werent asking for it. it would wrong be to stone her to death.

but if you look at whats happening in our UK courts, the judges dont beleive women when they cry rape. they let the guy go. police dont take seriously women who claim they have been raped. i was reading papers, they say very few cases of rape end up with jailing of men who did it.

My bold.

I fucking know: no apostrophe.

[cowiz]

i think its immoral to stone a truely raped woman. Allah forbids it.
if i were a judge in islamic country i would not stone a woman who i believed was genuinely raped by a few boys and she werent asking for it. it would wrong be to stone her to death.

but if you look at whats happening in our UK courts, the judges dont beleive women when they cry rape. they let the guy go. police dont take seriously women who claim they have been raped. i was reading papers, they say very few cases of rape end up with jailing of men who did it.

My bold.

I fucking know: no apostrophe.

Makes you mad doesnt it

[Tigger]

i think its immoral to stone a truely raped woman. Allah forbids it.
if i were a judge in islamic country i would not stone a woman who i believed was genuinely raped by a few boys and she werent asking for it. it would wrong be to stone her to death.

but if you look at whats happening in our UK courts, the judges dont beleive women when they cry rape. they let the guy go. police dont take seriously women who claim they have been raped. i was reading papers, they say very few cases of rape end up with jailing of men who did it.

My bold.

I fucking know: no apostrophe.

Makes you mad doesnt it

The whole thing makes me seethe on multiple levels, but I try to