A secular debate about eating meat.

[Svartalf]

Eh - the less meat you eat, the less animals are slaughtered to meet demand, the less livestock are raised for slaughter…

And on another facet of this issue, the dairy industry, and the way veal calves are treated in some cases, can also be quite objectionable. But I could honestly just never give up dairy!

Neither would I... I can't start a proper day without my pint of milk.

and whoever tries to take away my cheese is apt to find its liver wedged between the chianti bottle and the fava beans.

[JimC]

sandinista wrote:

hmm funny, I don't like eating meat and my body is not designed to run on it as a part of a balanced diet.

Perfectly correct, it certainly wasn't designed to...

But it certainly was evolved to!

[Svartalf]

There's no reason why most of us can't go veggie already, dj - except that we like eating meat, and are used to it, and it's easy and convenient…

It was less than 100 years ago that we moved from more natural methods of farming meat and dairy to factory farming. Now, factory farmed meat and dairy comprises 99% of all products on the grocery shelves. I realize it's more expensive, but if everybody made a point of trying to purchase more of these products from sources that pasture their animals we can be much much more humane about how we farm animals than we are now. You don't have to stop eating meat all together, just reduce, or stop eating meat from factory farmed sources and create the demand for the humane sources.

I see what you're saying, and I do agree that the less meat an individual eats the better, but, there is no such thing as "humane meat", simply does not exist.

Well yes it does , just not commercially .

well, actually no it doesn't. Unless your talking about soy based fake "meat" products, but they are produced commercially. Unless the animal is killed because of old age or illness there is nothing "humane" about slaughtering a healthy animal.

How about the fact that the species might have gone extinct millenia or centuries ago if we didn't farm it? Because, you know, it's like 500 years that the last wild specimen of Bos Taurus was hunted down.

and farming meat is about satisfying human needs, and it's less costly and more tasty not to wait for the animal to be too old before slaughtering it, especially nowadays that work beasts are about a century in the past.

[Svartalf]

There's no debate.

Some of us like eating meat.

Some don't.

End of story.

How about a secular debate about gin?

Some of us like their gin neat

Others need to mix it.

[Robert_S]

I like eating meat and my body's designed to run on it as part of a balanced diet.

The meat industry is a totally different issue. Morally, it's easy to argue against its' very existence. On the other hand, could individuals within society function if they had to hunt or keep their own animals for food?

hmm funny, I don't like eating meat and my body is not designed to run on it as a part of a balanced diet.

Actually, it is. an examination of the human digestive tract shows that it's much closer to that of a carnivore than to that of a true herbivore, and balancing a diet without animal based products implies much more effort and care than just slapping some meat and cheese to go with the bread and veg.

Compared to what a lot of Merkins eat, any vegetarian diet more balanced than surviving on mustard & horseradish on white bread sandwiches would be an improvement.

[sandinista]

It's not tasty, it's fucking nomalicious .

Worse than that, our digestive system is geared to eating meat... until we can gengineer ourselves into a fully vegetarian species, not eating meat is terminally suboptimal and stupid

Such BS. Not even sure where to go from there. Simply BS.

I like eating meat and my body's designed to run on it as part of a balanced diet.

The meat industry is a totally different issue. Morally, it's easy to argue against its' very existence. On the other hand, could individuals within society function if they had to hunt or keep their own animals for food?

hmm funny, I don't like eating meat and my body is not designed to run on it as a part of a balanced diet.

Actually, it is. an examination of the human digestive tract shows that it's much closer to that of a carnivore than to that of a true herbivore, and balancing a diet without animal based products implies much more effort and care than just slapping some meat and cheese to go with the bread and veg.

It really doesn't take much effort at all. Any effort it does take is worth it to not partake in the suffering of animals.

sandinista wrote:

hmm funny, I don't like eating meat and my body is not designed to run on it as a part of a balanced diet.

Perfectly correct, it certainly wasn't designed to...

But it certainly was evolved to!

and now, after further evolution, a vegetarian diet is as healthy, in some cases more so, than a meat based diet.

I like eating meat and my body's designed to run on it as part of a balanced diet.

The meat industry is a totally different issue. Morally, it's easy to argue against its' very existence. On the other hand, could individuals within society function if they had to hunt or keep their own animals for food?

hmm funny, I don't like eating meat and my body is not designed to run on it as a part of a balanced diet.

Actually, it is. an examination of the human digestive tract shows that it's much closer to that of a carnivore than to that of a true herbivore, and balancing a diet without animal based products implies much more effort and care than just slapping some meat and cheese to go with the bread and veg.

Compared to what a lot of Merkins eat, any vegetarian diet more balanced than surviving on mustard & horseradish on white bread sandwiches would be an improvement.

[maiforpeace]

Just like a meat diet, all diets have their pros and cons.

One of the big issues we face in the US (and perhaps elsewhere, I don't know), for those moving towards a vegetarian or vegan diet, is how processed many of those foods are, particularly those claiming to provide the protein substitutes for meat. They may be more humane for the animals, but they aren't necessarily healthier unless everything is made from scratch. Unfortunately cooking from scratch is not an American forté.

[Gallstones]

There's no debate.

Some of us like eating meat.

Some don't.

End of story.

How about a secular debate about gin?

Some of us like their gin neat

Others need to mix it.

I don't like gin and my body is not designed to imbibe it as part of a balanced drinking regimen.
Vodka is the only way to drink humanely. And whiskey. And wine. And beer. Some rum or cognac once in a while. But never gin.

[maiforpeace]

There's no debate.

Some of us like eating meat.

Some don't.

End of story.

How about a secular debate about gin?

Some of us like their gin neat

Others need to mix it.

I don't like gin and my body is not designed to imbibe it as part of a balanced drinking regimen.
Vodka is the only way to drink humanely. And whiskey. And wine. And beer. Some rum or cognac once in a while. But never gin.

I am a berry activist, and I call you on your bigotry of juniper berries!

[tattuchu]

... Unfortunately cooking from scratch is not an American forté.

Slight tangent, sorry. But making things from scratch was very much the norm in my house growing up as a kid, and I'm grateful for it. I still try to make things from scratch as much as possible. When people see this...like, that I make pancakes from scratch for instance instead of from a box or even pre-made batter from a bottle- hell, my roommate even buys pre-made individually wrapped pancakes that you heat in the microwave!...well, they are astonished, and act as if it's some strange form of alchemy.

[sandinista]

Just like a meat diet, all diets have their pros and cons.

One of the big issues we face in the US (and perhaps elsewhere, I don't know), for those moving towards a vegetarian or vegan diet, is how processed many of those foods are, particularly those claiming to provide the protein substitutes for meat. They may be more humane for the animals, but they aren't necessarily healthier unless everything is made from scratch. Unfortunately cooking from scratch is not an American forté.

Even the processed vegetarian food is better than the processed meat based food. It's not like meat products aren't processed as well, not to mention the steroids and anti biotics.

There's no debate.

Some of us like eating meat.

Some don't.

End of story.

How about a secular debate about gin?

Some of us like their gin neat

Others need to mix it.

I don't like gin and my body is not designed to imbibe it as part of a balanced drinking regimen.
Vodka is the only way to drink humanely. And whiskey. And wine. And beer. Some rum or cognac once in a while. But never gin.

Gin's not so bad, with tonic.

[Azathoth]

... Unfortunately cooking from scratch is not an American forté.

Slight tangent, sorry. But making things from scratch was very much the norm in my house growing up as a kid, and I'm grateful for it. I still try to make things from scratch as much as possible. When people see this...like, that I make pancakes from scratch for instance instead of from a box or even pre-made batter from a bottle- hell, my roommate even buys pre-made individually wrapped pancakes that you heat in the microwave!...well, they are astonished, and act as if it's some strange form of alchemy.

Pre-made batter It's 3 fucking ingredients mixed together in a bowl. Lazy cunts

[Gallstones]

There's no debate.

Some of us like eating meat.

Some don't.

End of story.

How about a secular debate about gin?

Some of us like their gin neat

Others need to mix it.

I don't like gin and my body is not designed to imbibe it as part of a balanced drinking regimen.
Vodka is the only way to drink humanely. And whiskey. And wine. And beer. Some rum or cognac once in a while. But never gin.

I am a berry activist, and I call you on your bigotry of juniper berries!

But you advocate berry cruelty.

[Gallstones]

... Unfortunately cooking from scratch is not an American forté.

Slight tangent, sorry. But making things from scratch was very much the norm in my house growing up as a kid, and I'm grateful for it. I still try to make things from scratch as much as possible. When people see this...like, that I make pancakes from scratch for instance instead of from a box or even pre-made batter from a bottle- hell, my roommate even buys pre-made individually wrapped pancakes that you heat in the microwave!...well, they are astonished, and act as if it's some strange form of alchemy.

Pre-made batter It's 3 fucking ingredients mixed together in a bowl. Lazy cunts

I make my own yogurt. And last night I made my own crackers.

Cooking is alchemy.

[maiforpeace]

... Unfortunately cooking from scratch is not an American forté.

Slight tangent, sorry. But making things from scratch was very much the norm in my house growing up as a kid, and I'm grateful for it. I still try to make things from scratch as much as possible. When people see this...like, that I make pancakes from scratch for instance instead of from a box or even pre-made batter from a bottle- hell, my roommate even buys pre-made individually wrapped pancakes that you heat in the microwave!...well, they are astonished, and act as if it's some strange form of alchemy.

You are the magic man!!

To some people, cooking a quiche from scratch is taking a biscuit mix or a premade crust for the crust, filling it with bacon bits, eggs out of a carton (like egg beaters) non-fat half and half and pre-grated cheese.

But you advocate berry cruelty.

When it comes to berry cruelty, I don't discriminate. Crush them all!