Do you hate Islam ?

[AshtonBlack]

What is the i-Slam? Have I missed yet another release from Apple?

It's the iphone app for witty retorts "Oh i-SLAM!!!"

[Bella Fortuna]

What is the i-Slam? Have I missed yet another release from Apple?

It's the iphone app for witty retorts "Oh i-SLAM!!!"

Exi will convert in a heartbeat.

[Tigger]

What is the i-Slam? Have I missed yet another release from Apple?

It's the attachment you plug into the new improved* Qur'an that electrocutes your bollocks when you have impure thoughts. Testicular Slammage of, er, biblical proportions.

*batterings included.

[cowiz]

What is the i-Slam? Have I missed yet another release from Apple?

It's the attachment you plug into the new improved* Qur'an that electrocutes your bollocks when you have impure thoughts. Testicular Slammage of, er, biblical proportions.

*batterings included.

Perhaps it's another device for the subjugation of women, similar to the i-Ron

[mandy]

thank you al for your replies.

do carry on, i want to know real actualy reasons. only some of you have given logical reasons. others havent.

I don't waste emotional energy on hate. Apathy is the real opposite of love, IMO.

I'm not a fan of blindly following whatever makes you feel good atm to point that you're willing to kill people who get in your way or even simply disagree with whatever you happen to be blindly following atm.

If you want to see the way things really are, as opposed to filtering reality through a comfortable bullshit story, I suggest you question all beliefs and faiths. If there were any evidence that they were true, you wouldn't need belief or faith. It would then be knowledge.

Welcome to the forum! It will be interesting to hear your perspective, as you don't seem to be militant in your approach.

thank you for the welcome. i am always open to new ideas. at the moment i just think i have a good religion which provides me with answers i am looking for.

As you can see, we are a bunch of people who look with a very critical eye all religions, not only islam. What I would be very interested to read would be why did you hate it in the first place, and what changed your mind to the point of converting to that faith.

I used to hate it because i thought muslims were all like klingons, you know very violent aggressive people. but i found out they are no more violent than the average person.
i also hated them for oppressing women but i discovered their women are quite happy. yes there is mistreatment but then again where does that not happen?
when my false idea of muslims was shattered i began to look into them more and directly speak to them in cafes, buses, collages etc etc. i learnt i was victim of propaganda against muslims. this shocked me. how could i as an educated westerner be so gullible. and as i was already was looking for something clear strong and stable moral family values, i found only Islam provided these things. this morality and purity of life attracted me to muslims way of life. i had to submit before this superior way of life.

Hate is a pretty strong word, let's say I have a strong dislike of Islam.

but you have not given your valid reason why yo have this strong dislike. thats the question on this thread.

I have a major problem with some Muslims, but it isn't because they are Muslims per se. It is because they are fanatical arseholes who live for killing and destruction. I would have just as big a problem with them if they were being arseholes in the name of anything else other than Islam.

I think Islam itself is bollocks, and the many and varied reasons for thinking that could make one of those long speeches you seem to want to avoid.

fanatical arseholes are everywhere dont you think? ETA, IRA, CIA, Tory Party....

why do you think islam is bollocks? please give me some valid reasons.

Oh and while we are on the topic of submission, it pisses me off that posting on this site requires clicking a button marked "Submit". No, you fuckers! I will never submit. Fuggorf and die so there.

looool.

that was good.

When I'm arguing with someone and post a response, I hit "Submit" followed by saying "Bitch!"

loooooooooooool

even better.

I loathe and detest Islam and all it represents. The suppression of free thought, of women (and you are a woman iirc), of progress, of education, of choice in the name of a nonsensical, violent diatribe on apostates and infidels. How can anyone believe such mis-translated nonsense? 72 virgins indeed. It's grapes. Sour ones, probably.

When I left school, now several years ago, I was looking forward to being released from the (minimal, actually) compulsory religious ceremonies like morning assemblies and the half hour "religious educational" slot - an oxymoron if ever there was one - we had every few days. Retrospectively, I consider myself lucky to have been brought up by atheist parents and not been as exposed to pious ignorance as many people here have been. Now what do I find? I find my freedom of expression, my own lifestyle choice and my behaviour is still being governed by religion in one form or another. If it's not Islam and the offence that Muslims take and over-react to, it's Christianity (equally vile in my book) and all that brings with it. I am totally disappointed with many aspects of humanity. Had it not been for religion, we would have progressed much further as a society rather than wasting time kowtowing to mind-people. And don't forget all those people, your countrymen too, dying (ultimately - I know Blair had a say!) in the name of religion.

I truly cannot see why an intelligent person would convert to any religion, let alone one of the most insidious belief systems available to the gullible. Surely there must be a better reason for you to convert than reading and accepting the dry old utterances of this sour tome. Maybe you have met someone, a Muslim, and you are required to convert so you can be with him. At least that would make sense.

Your religion scares the shit out of me, and it's put me off drawing my cartoons.

lol.

some cartoons would be unacceptable even to our own laws in Britain. If I drew cartoon glorifying terrorism, i would end up in Guantanamo bay being tortured the USA.

I dislike Islam. I can't help that I feel that way. Why? Because it tell people they can't eat ham or bacon, it leads to people dictating what women should wear, it leads to people circumcisiing women..

Because it's a bullshit set of rules made up by an illiterate paedophile .. and it's yet another thing that causes conflict and division between people.

France also dictates to women what they can and cannot wear. I bet you dislike France too.
Labour and Tories also cause division among people, and UK and US had a major confilct with Iraq for no valid reasons. All lies.

The main problem with Islam is the Qu'ran.

[ long quote of verses ]

And that's only the second surah. You can't go more than a few verses without hearing some command to kill or condemn people of another or no religion. The book is one of the craziest things I ever read but also one of the most boring and repetitive because the type of stuff above is basically all the book is. And these are only the passages that condone religious intolerance! I haven't even gone into the misogyny, homophobia, injustice and cruelty.
Islam demands respect of everyone while not showing any. Your religion is like Christianity 400 years ago (I'm not a fan of them either) and has no place in the 21st century without seriously twisting the words of the Qu'ran and picking the good bits while ignoring the bad. The only problem with that is that the bad out numbers the good more than 3 to 1. You would basically have to ignore 2 thirds of your book. Here's the good stuff in surah 2.

Add to all that the female genital mutilation, honour killings, hatred of women, bigotry, punishment by death for apostasy and anti-Semiitism you've got your self there one mean, anti-human and oppressive religion.

is male genital mutilation ok? UN recommends that one.
hatred of women? thats found everywhere. death penalty exists even in america....and is anti-arabism acceptable?

So many reasons!

Are you also confused why black people don't like KKK members, or do you think they should all be friends as well?

i get it. you are saing muslims hate west and in retaliation you hate them back. Revenge is a valid reason i suppose.

I hate idiots, bigots and mad assholes. Some Muslims fit this bill, but so do some Americans, etc.

I don't hate ALL of anybody.

that is ok.

It's all been said, but for what it is worth I loathe and detest Islam. I think it is the most oppressive, limiting, mind controlling and anti-human of all religions. Quite a few of its adherents hate the west and what it stands for using Islam as a justification. Of those, the ones who wish me and mine harm I would happily destroy. The rest? Well I feel sorry for their enslavement.

thats fair enough, you hate them because they hate you. i see your point.

See, here's the thing. There's no Muslim person I hate. There's some deeply unpleasant characters who claim to follow Islam, but do I hate them? No.
However, Islam the religion I can hate. Get that? I do not hate people, but I hate some "IDEAS." and I have every fucking right to do so.
Now if you want to go into the reasons that I don't really go "after" religions, per se. Read my fucking sig. Oh and Welcome.

i get it. you just hate criminals. yeah i can see your point.

I don't hate moslems, but I do hate Islam, I think it's foul, embittered misogynistic and misanthropic piece of evil. I hope you can get cured one day soon.

misanthopic? whats that? i dont even know what that mean.
misogynistic men are found in every kind of community, even here in London.

Hate muslims as a group of people? No. I just wish they would wise up (as for all theists). I pity someone like you who (presumably as an adult with intact cognitive faculties) chooses to believe such silly crap, in contrast to those that were unfortunately indoctrinated as a child.

Hate Islam? No. It's fatuous crap. No worse than other delusions religions.

I was not indoctrinated, I freely chose islam after research.

I do hate islam. I hate the very idea of a human being giving away their free-will and decision making process to something outside of themselves that they do not understand, and (more to the point) do not care to understand, that they merely 'believe'. I hate the concept of submission to a god, a religion, a creed, a cult, a fucking nonsense derived from wishful thinking and the wish for earthly power.

I hate every other religion equally.

I have no hatred at all for muslims. I have known many and been close friends with a few. I have drunk myself stupid with an Egyptian barman that was quite happy to sup brandy every night but made himself deliberately sick when he found he had accidentally eaten pork - what the fuck is that all about? I considered him a friend and had many interesting and constructive arguments with him.

We have one life. One chance to experience whatever there is to experience here. Why buy into a belief that restricts the very few choices we have? All religions are man-made and they are among the most hateful, despicable things that our species has ever invented.

Islam. Fuck it!

you hate concept of submission to god? but do you also hate submission to your government? you are still submitting. does it matter to whom?

Well, this is my first post...

The subject you specified was "Do you hate islam?".

Yet your message seems to assume that we already do as the questions above were all biased on the negative-side anyway.

Do I hate Islam?

Well which part of Islam are you referring too?


The Qu'ran - Well then I don't hate it, but I think its a disgusting book...

Muslims - I know quite a few, some of them live the life I wouldn't want too, Ignorant, Hedonistic and therefore do not stick to what their faith specifies yet out of pure arrogance think it is ok to preach...Well, then yes I do dislike then. But I guess most of them are reasonable.

I wanted to some reasons. you said Quran is disgusting but not told us on what valid reason you think that?

I hate Islam, for the reasons mentioned already.

As a Swiss combating an active attempt on behalf of Muslim immigrants to subvert the principles of democracy and secularism that the Enlightenment has managed, after a strenuous struggle, to impose on a continent with a Christian heritage, I find myself hating certain Muslims, whose concept of multiculturalism is basically "Muslims have the right to do what they like anywhere and impose their traditions on anyone else's territory, but no one else has the right to criticize or impose on our territory". The Muslim who does not want to be integrated; the Muslim who wants to have Shariah law in Europe; the Muslim who wants all women to wear burqas the moment they leave the house. Your beliefs are not biological, they are, therefore, to a certain extent, still a personal choice- and I can hate people for their choices.w

thats fair enough to hate someone who forces his views on you, and you hate muslims for imposing sharia law on switzerland. i can see your point. america is also trying to impose democrasy on muslims nations. muslims therefore hate US for the same reason as you have given.

I hate most Muslims because their women wear too many cloths and I can't tell if they have nice boobs or how fuckable they are.
But Islam is cool.

lol

I'll just let your holy book do the talking.

What the Koran has to say about the value of women, and how to treat them:

2:228 And they (women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness, and men are a degree above them.

4:34 Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them.

4:11 Allah chargeth you concerning (the provision for) your children: to the male the equivalent of the portion of two females, and if there be women more than two, then theirs is two-thirds of the inheritance, and if there be one (only) then the half.

4:24 And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.

How to treat non-Muslims:

2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

What happens to non-Muslims after death:

4:56 Lo! Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment.

About Jews and Christians:

5:64 We have cast among them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection.

5:60 Shall I tell thee of a worse (case) than theirs for retribution with Allah ? (Worse is the case of him) whom Allah hath cursed, him on whom His wrath hath fallen and of whose sort Allah hath turned some to apes and swine, and who serveth idols. Such are in worse plight and further astray from the plain road.

Any questions?

Have you actually read the Quran? I know some verses can appear very harsh, but you cant judge rules of other society with rules of your own.
every society has its own laws. in some european countries, you can marry a girl of 14, in UK this is illegal.

I don't dislike Muslims. Every Muslim I've met has been pleasant and a good person. Of course, I don't usually tell them I'm a Jew.

I dislike Islam because of how it seems to affect the otherwise sane human mind. For example, it seems to make minds absolutely incapable of telling the difference between disliking Islam and disliking Muslims. That's a damage to thinking that I would not before have thought possible without an ice pick. Yet Islam seems to be able to do it.

thats valid reason if it were true. but you said you are a jew. i know muslims hate jews more tan jews hate muslims. but it shouldnt be.
jews should convert to islam and there will be peace and they can have palestine.
did you know jews are related to arabs because both are from family tree of Abraham. Arabs are from chidlren of ishmael and Jews from isaac. that makes jews and muslims cousins.

Ok, if you want to claim that you were ignorant before, what evidence it that convinced you that:
1) a god exists?
2) that god is Allah?
3) the Koran is correct?

I'm willing to bet that the true ignorance is what underlies those reasons.

this topic aint about proving existence of Allah. its about valid reasons you have for hating islam or muslims.

I don't hate it, it disgusts me. It is vile, evil, immoral and intolerant. It is based on ignorance.

In other words, it is virtually identical to every other religion.

you just told me your feelings. i know you hate islam. but i want to know why. give me some good logical reasons.

i want to hear good reasons against islam from those who dislike it, atheists, hindus, jews, christians, ex-muslims, polar bears, everyone.

speak freely, say whatever you want, as long it answers the question on this thread.

i'll chacek back later and give you my responses.

cheers

[virphen]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misanthropy

[Animavore]

is male genital mutilation ok? UN recommends that one.

No. I don't think it is regardless of the UN say.

hatred of women? thats[sic] found everywhere. death penalty exists even in america[sic]....and is anti-arabism'sic] acceptable?

Hatred of women may be found every where but the Qu'ran actively endorses it so I don't get your point.
The death penalty is only found in 3 American States and that's for first degree murder and even then they're trying to abolish it.
The Qu'ran endorses the killing of non-believers, Jews and Christians simply because they are non-believers, Jews and Christians. That's a big difference.

[cowiz]

I hate liver and kidneys.

[AshtonBlack]

[quote="mandleson]

See, here's the thing. There's no Muslim person I hate. There's some deeply unpleasant characters who claim to follow Islam, but do I hate them? No.
However, Islam the religion I can hate. Get that? I do not hate people, but I hate some "IDEAS." and I have every fucking right to do so.
Now if you want to go into the reasons that I don't really go "after" religions, per se. Read my fucking sig. Oh and Welcome.

i get it. you just hate criminals. yeah i can see your point.[/quote]

Noooooooo.....

I don't hate people. I hate ideas, like religion, genoside etc etc.

[mandy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misanthropy

Thanks. Its so true.

This was the basic teaching and message Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him:

Stupidity leads to ignorance. Ignorance leads to fear. Fear leads to hatred. Hatred leads to unjust war. Unjust war leads to defeat.

Mohammad predicted Islam will conquer both Capitals of the West: Constantinople and Rome. One down, one to go.

Misanthropy

Misanthropy is a generalized dislike, distrust, disgust, contempt, or hatred of the human species. A misanthrope is someone who harbors those views and feelings. The word's origin is from Greek words μῖσος (misos, "hatred") and ἄνθρωπος ( anthrōpos, "man, human being").

Misanthropy in Western thought

In Western philosophy, misanthropy is connected to isolation from human society. In Plato's Phaedo, Socrates defines the misanthropy in relation to his fellow man: "Misanthropy develops when without art one puts complete trust in somebody thinking the man absolutely true and sound and reliable and then a little later discovers him to be bad and unreliable...and when it happens to someone often...he ends up...hating everyone." Misanthropy, then, is presented as the result of thwarted expectations or even excess optimism, since Socrates argues that "art" would have allowed the potential misanthrope to recognize that the majority of men are to be found in between good and evil. Aristotle follows a more ontological route: the misanthrope, as an essentially solitary man, is not a man at all: he must be a beast or a god, a view reflected in the Renaissance of misanthropy as a "beast-like state."

Misanthropy in Christian thought

Søren Kierkegaard is often called a misanthrope, and the writings of his later years certainly express misanthropy, besides "misogyny, world-weariness, hatred of the physical world, of the body, of sex, and insistence on the necessity of suffering and self-torture."[4] But this is a superficial appearance that reflects his belief that the true Christian, in order to follow the rigorous demands of pure Christianity, should be like Christ and renounce the material world totally. This vision of pure Christianity, in words and action, may give the appearance of misanthropy.

Misanthropy in Islamic thought

In early and pre-Islamic philosophy, certain thinkers such as Ibn al-Rawandi, a skeptic of Islam, and Muhammad ibn Zakariya ar-Razi often expressed misanthropic views.

In the Judeo-Islamic philosophies (800 - 1400), the Jewish philosopher Saadia Gaon, uses the Platonic idea that the self-isolated man is dehumanized by friendlessness to argue against the misanthropy of anchorite asceticism and reclusiveness.

Stop the hate before Rome falls.

[Animavore]

Stupidity leads to ignorance. Ignorance leads to fear. Fear leads to hatred. Hatred leads to unjust war. Unjust war leads to defeat.

Mohammad predicted Islam will conquer both Capitals of the West: Constantinople and Rome. One down, one to go.

How ironic

[Feck]

Not that islam isn't forward thinking or anything and um good luck with Rome.

[Tigger]

[Rob]

I don't hate Muslims or even Islam. I am entirely apathetic towards it. I find after listening to many debates, lectures and reading a multitude of books that it doesn't interest me anymore. All arguments from a religion will start to revert to philosophical arguments as the empirical arguments are easily defeated. Once you get there the argument starts to develop into the argument of the good of religiosity. Frankly, religion has nothing to offer me and no argument presented by Islam is sufficient for me to take it seriously. As such I am entirely apathetic towards religion that doesn't stop the progress of science or attempt to impact the legislation of law or cause harm to people.

Unfortunately most religions don't fall under this criteria.

[Tigger]

I don't hate Muslims or even Islam. I am entirely apathetic towards it. I find after listening to many debates, lectures and reading a multitude of books that it doesn't interest me anymore. All arguments from a religion will start to revert to philosophical arguments as the empirical arguments are easily defeated. Once you get there the argument starts to develop into the argument of the good of religiosity. Frankly, religion has nothing to offer me and no argument presented by Islam is sufficient for me to take it seriously. As such I am entirely apathetic towards religion that doesn't stop the progress of science or attempt to impact the legislation of law or cause harm to people.

Unfortunately most religions don't fall under this criteria.

Well put, sir.