Logic and reason =/= Atheism

[Seth]

Choosing not to actively challenge someone's delusions on compassionate grounds does not make them any less delusional...

Kindly prove that they are delusional with critically robust scientific evidence before you declare that THEY are the delusional ones.

Since you cannot do that, I submit that you're aiming your criticism at the wrong party.

[Seth]

Sooooo ... one guy's experiences make for a universal truth, do they? Shome mishtake, shurely.

No, but why is someone else's belief system of interest to you at all? So long as they aren't hurting you, it's none of your business at all, you see. Criticizing other people's beliefs is an act of hubris and arrogance and disdain, not logic and reason. It's not about what others believe, it's about how you follow your own religious dogma.

Beliefs haven't got some sort of immunity from rational criticism. A situation where someone is emotionally fragile may require some forbearance from face-to-face criticism, but that's all. You are over-reacting; criticising beliefs is not the same as causing harm to someone because of their beliefs, a practice which does indeed happen in the current world (usually by religiously motivated cretins attacking people for believing in the wrong sky fairy), and certainly was practiced by the christian establishment of the past.

So.....Your argument supporting the rationality and logic of attacking the "christian establishment" (sic) is "They did it first!"

How childish.

[Seth]

Well, I got the job treatment so Dog, if it even exists, is a bastard unworthy of worship, period.

And that may well be the case, and it's a decision you are fully entitled to make...for yourself. However, interfering with other people's decision that conflict with yours is arrogance and hubris made manifest.

[Seth]

Guy can't take the stress of real life and gets religion. What does that show?

That religion is (or may be) beneficial and useful to both individuals and society. If his new-found religion gives him peace and helps him deal with the stress of his life without hurting others, why do Atheists feel obliged to discount his experience and denigrate his decisions?

There's absolutely nothing rational or logical about denigrating a belief system or systems that helps 80 percent of the population of the planet cope with the stresses of their lives.

Militant Atheism is nothing more than ill-tempered, rude, inconsiderate, unthinking, hateful and insensitive interference with something that is, even by their own dogmatic beliefs, neither any of their business nor something they should even give consideration or thought to.

But they do, and they seek to destroy the peace and harmony that religion factually brings to many, if not most people who believe in something other than nihilistic finality.

That sort of behavior is disgusting, antisocial and psychopathic.

What if there's not really anything but disgusting nihilistic finality?

"What if..." Exactly my point.

[Seth]

Sooooo ... one guy's experiences make for a universal truth, do they? Shome mishtake, shurely.

No, but why is someone else's belief system of interest to you at all? So long as they aren't hurting you, it's none of your business at all, you see. Criticizing other people's beliefs is an act of hubris and arrogance and disdain, not logic and reason. It's not about what others believe, it's about how you follow your own religious dogma.

Beliefs haven't got some sort of immunity from rational criticism. A situation where someone is emotionally fragile may require some forbearance from face-to-face criticism, but that's all. You are over-reacting; criticising beliefs is not the same as causing harm to someone because of their beliefs, a practice which does indeed happen in the current world (usually by religiously motivated cretins attacking people for believing in the wrong sky fairy), and certainly was practiced by the christian establishment of the past.

Remember, criticizing religion is arrogant and reeks of hubris, which, as everyone knows, angers the Gods. But it's OK to criticize the followers of Atheism, even though Atheism is as much a religion as any other. See how that works, Jim?

You started it....

[Seth]

but why is someone else's belief system of interest to you at all? So long as they aren't hurting you, it's none of your business at all, you see.

But apparently, it is of enough interest to YOU and enough of YOUR business for you to post this here? And with a completely misleading title?

Take a course in journalism focusing on headline writing, review the post activity associated with the thread, and get back to me on why I framed it that way.

Please, share where there is ANY logic or reason in this guy's decision making process? He had a personal revelation/epiphany - happens all the time. People suddenly realise that they no longer love the person that they have been married to for decades, that they are gay, that they believe in god, or that they don't believe in god. Whatever it is that suddenly becomes clear to them, their decision is based on purely personal, emotive reasoning - not logic.

What's so great about reason or logic in this situation? If reason and logic cause him to nosedive into irreversible depression at the plight his child faces and he kills her and commits suicide because he accepts the nihilistic Atheist doctrine that there's no point in doing anything because when it's over, it's over, I'd say reason and logic have failed the fundamental test of humanity and are therefore antithetical to human survival.

I've said before that it's entirely possible that intelligence (ie: reason and logic) may only be useful genetic traits up to a certain point, after which the law of diminishing returns makes greater intelligence (ie: reason and logic) a negative survival trait for the species. The succinct statement of this theory is "Ignorance may indeed be bliss."

If his decision was logical, it should be possible to explain the progression of steps that leads to the conclusion - but it isn't - it just comes down to feelings that the rest of us cannot share and thus cannot respond to in the way that he did.

Right, and therefore so what? What's it to you or anyone else?

If his decision makes him happier, that's good for him. However, if it makes him ring my doorbell at 8:00am on a Sunday fucking morning, he can fuck off and die!

Put up a fence, a locked gate and disconnect your doorbell. Don't blame your Pavlovian response to anyone with an index finger who pushes it of jumping up to answer the door on others, it's your illogical and irrational response that's the problem. I treat doorbells and knocking the same way I treat unsolicited phone calls from strangers. I ignore them. That's the logical, reasonable and adult thing to do, not bitch about what others do.

[Seth]

There's absolutely nothing rational or logical about denigrating a belief system or systems that helps 80 percent of the population of the planet cope with the stresses of their lives.

But by the same token there's nothing unreasonable about applying logic and reason to the content of those comforting beliefs.

There is if it's none of your business in the first place. Examine your own beliefs, not somebody else's. You've plenty of work to do there.

[Seth]

I'm not sure what Seth wanted us to say.

"Whoa! I'd never thought about it like that. I can't believe I've been so wrong all these years. Oh Lord, please forgive this wretched sinner and take me back into your fold."

FFS.

Like that's even a remote possibility....Oh, wait, it is!

[Seth]

Find out more about “Matthew 13:44″ here.

"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, which a man found and hid; and for joy over it he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field." Verily, how could I have been so blind not to see the reason of theism.

Probably has something to do with the internal conflicts inherent in your religion of Atheism.

[Svartalf]

Well, I got the job treatment so Dog, if it even exists, is a bastard unworthy of worship, period.

And that may well be the case, and it's a decision you are fully entitled to make...for yourself. However, interfering with other people's decision that conflict with yours is arrogance and hubris made manifest.

people have a right to know that they worsgip a thing unworthy of it.

[Seth]

Well, I got the job treatment so Dog, if it even exists, is a bastard unworthy of worship, period.

And that may well be the case, and it's a decision you are fully entitled to make...for yourself. However, interfering with other people's decision that conflict with yours is arrogance and hubris made manifest.

people have a right to know that they worsgip a thing unworthy of it.

That's your opinion only, and if they want to know your opinion, they will ask it of you. Your proselytizing Atheism to them is just exactly as wrong and offensive to them as is their proselytizing their religion to you. Just because you think you're right and they are wrong doesn't give you license or moral authority to preach Atheism at them, particularly when the chief complaint of Atheists is that they don't like being preached at by the theists.

It's utter hypocrisy to think that your opinion is so important and worthy that you can freely throw it in their faces while at the same time complaining when they throw their opinions in your face.

This is not to say that I suggest any sort of constraint on either party proselytizing the other, I'm merely pointing out how illogical and irrational it is to do the very thing to them that you use as an excuse while deriding their doing it to you. At least they don't do it because you're an Atheist, they do it because they want you to accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior because they are concerned with your immortal soul, which is both honest and altruistic in it's intent, whereas Atheists are merely being annoying because they can be annoying and with little or no other useful purpose.

[klr]

Sooooo ... one guy's experiences make for a universal truth, do they? Shome mishtake, shurely.

No, but why is someone else's belief system of interest to you at all? So long as they aren't hurting you, it's none of your business at all, you see. Criticizing other people's beliefs is an act of hubris and arrogance and disdain, not logic and reason. It's not about what others believe, it's about how you follow your own religious dogma.

Eh? That cuts both ways. Why did you bother to post the article then? FWIW, your posting is a thinly veiled attempt on the beliefs of atheists.

[Seth]

Sooooo ... one guy's experiences make for a universal truth, do they? Shome mishtake, shurely.

No, but why is someone else's belief system of interest to you at all? So long as they aren't hurting you, it's none of your business at all, you see. Criticizing other people's beliefs is an act of hubris and arrogance and disdain, not logic and reason. It's not about what others believe, it's about how you follow your own religious dogma.

Eh? That cuts both ways. Why did you bother to post the article then? FWIW, your posting is a thinly veiled attempt on the beliefs of atheists.

No, it's an examination of the practices of Atheists and their logical, rational, ethical and moral strengths and weaknesses.

I don't know why you can't accept the fact that I'm not a theist or an apologist for theists, I'm merely a critic of Atheism and Atheists who chooses to put your religion under the same sort of rational and logical examination that you subject everyone who doesn't believe as you do to on a daily basis. (and by "you" I mean Atheists collectively, not you individually...)

[klr]

Sooooo ... one guy's experiences make for a universal truth, do they? Shome mishtake, shurely.

No, but why is someone else's belief system of interest to you at all? So long as they aren't hurting you, it's none of your business at all, you see. Criticizing other people's beliefs is an act of hubris and arrogance and disdain, not logic and reason. It's not about what others believe, it's about how you follow your own religious dogma.

Eh? That cuts both ways. Why did you bother to post the article then? FWIW, your posting is a thinly veiled attempt on the beliefs of atheists.

No, it's an examination of the practices of Atheists and their logical, rational, ethical and moral strengths and weaknesses.

I don't know why you can't accept the fact that I'm not a theist or an apologist for theists, I'm merely a critic of Atheism and Atheists who chooses to put your religion under the same sort of rational and logical examination that you subject everyone who doesn't believe as you do to on a daily basis. (and by "you" I mean Atheists collectively, not you individually...)

No, it's one person's experience, nothing more, nothing less. Not in the least relevant in the great scheme of things.

[Animavore]

Why are you letting this guy troll you? Disengage.