Scientific Proof Of God

[superuniverse]

First you must support the operating premises that the Universe is eternal and created. If we can agree on that, even for the sake of argument, then we might be able move this discussion forward.

We are playing with you...

Either way, created or eternal, prove that it happened without the act of God.

[JimC]

So much blah, blah, blah.

We want PROOF OF ATHEISM. You are the ones making the claim, hence this forum.

Incorrect. Theists are making the claim that a supernatural, all-powerful god exists who intervenes in human affairs. We, as atheists, are simply not accepting this rather outlandish claim, a claim that is totally unnecessary in explaining the universe as it is...

[Brian Peacock]

First you must support the operating premises that the Universe is eternal and created. If we can agree on that, even for the sake of argument, then we might be able move this discussion forward.

We are playing with you...

Either way, created or eternal, prove that it happened without the act of God.

Now that you've moved the operating premises to an extant God which acted to create the Universe, then, again, these assumptions must be supported in some way, even for the sake of argument, so that the discussion can move forward.

If we are to discuss this reasonably and rationally in good faith the neither of us can lead off with where we wish to arrive: we cannot start from our conclusions - circulus in probando.

[superuniverse]

AVOIDING THE QUESTION NOTED.

[Hermit]

Either way, created or eternal, prove that it happened without the act of God.

The assertion that the universe was created by some supernatural entity achieves nothing. It just moves the mystery concerning its creation from one level to another.

[Scot Dutchy]

So much blah, blah, blah.

We want PROOF OF ATHEISM. You are the ones making the claim, hence this forum.

How do you prove zero? No claim is being made. In the ancient world the zero did not exist. Ancient scholars used a point to indicate it. Why? Like you they could not accept that there is nothing. There always had to be something. The acceptance of nothing is a big problem for theists. It just does not fit into your mindset.
Yet we live in a digital world of ones and zeros. The on and off of a switch. Why cant you accept there is an "off" position? What's is it to you that we started with the "off" position. The default. Only when theists came along and demanded that there is an "on" position did the trouble start. What that "on" position is has been interpreted so many times which is why theism is in the mess it is today with more and more people turning away from it.
We are the silent majority and just get used to it. Just keep on shouting in the smallest room but nobody will bother to give you any attention. You are the dying breed. Atheism cannot die as it does not exist as it is the "off" position. You are making the claims for the "on" position so where is your proof that it exists.

[rainbow]

We are playing with you...

You are playing with your yourself.


...remember what happened to Onan.

[Sean Hayden]

Am I on or off?

It's actually not bad Dutchy, I was so far down the rabbit hole with a theist once that I began to argue using the imagery of Leprechauns and cookie jars.

[Scot Dutchy]

Am I on or off?

It's actually not bad Dutchy, I was so far down the rabbit hole with a theist once that I began to argue using the imagery of Leprechauns and cookie jars.

I once argued 24 hours non-stop with a young Jesuit monk. The on off switch was just one argument I dragged up in that time. It was to no avail. We went down so many rabbit holes that day. It all boils down to faith. Faith to turn the switch on when it is in fact off.

[superuniverse]

Am I on or off?

It's actually not bad Dutchy, I was so far down the rabbit hole with a theist once that I began to argue using the imagery of Leprechauns and cookie jars.

I once argued 24 hours non-stop with a young Jesuit monk. The on off switch was just one argument I dragged up in that time. It was to no avail. We went down so many rabbit holes that day. It all boils down to faith. Faith to turn the switch on when it is in fact off.

You have trouble turning anyone on or off

[superuniverse]

Either way, created or eternal, prove that it happened without the act of God.

The assertion that the universe was created by some supernatural entity achieves nothing. It just moves the mystery concerning its creation from one level to another.

Which level?

[NineBerry]

Questioning where God comes from will result in losing your head in some societies

[JimC]

Dennis, by now you must realise that the majority response from members here to the "god question" echoes that of Pierre-Simon Laplace:

"I have no need of that hypothesis"

Having dismissed the childish superstition of the early history of the human race, with its supernatural fantasies, we can proceed to the much more interesting and probably never-ending task of understanding the natural universe.

[Hermit]

Either way, created or eternal, prove that it happened without the act of God.

The assertion that the universe was created by some supernatural entity achieves nothing. It just moves the mystery concerning its creation from one level to another.

Which level?

You choose.

[JimC]

That meme has tortoise a lot over the years...