More Evidences for God

[JOZeldenrust]

I have asked on several occasions for you to present all of your 'evidences' as soon as possible.

Between each of these posts you have posted at least once, and failed to present any more of your 'evidences'.

Of course I have also, in each of my posts, hinted my scepticism of your intentions. I strongly suspect that you would much rather drag this out for another month before giving us more of your 'evidences'. Because you are a troll. I'm fairly sure most of the others think so too. But now, if your next post is anything other than a damn good answer to my question......

right!! that does it!!

i dont give a rats arse what you think of me. i only care what Allah thinks of me. so if you wanna talk nicely then i'll talk to ya, otherwise, you do know how to screw yourself, dont you. :I-love-pork:

so let me make it extra clear for you. until i first write down in my diary all the evidences for God, and it aint easy to get them right, and then secondly after that, i carefully copy them here, you can either wait for it like everyone else, or you can

mandy, this is a reminder to heed our guidelines, thanks.

And all the posts telling Mandy to kill himself in creative ways or otherwise remove his genetic material from the gene pool are going unpunished? Way to be rational...

Can you report the post/s you think are breaching the guidelines, please JOZ. I have no wish to single mandy out unfairly.

I don't think any posts actually breached forum rules, including the post by Mandelson. There was the post by Tigger suggesting Mandelson get a vasectomy (at least to me a remark that was clearly made in jest) and the spam floods by Gawdzilla. There were also quite a few posts that were pork related, that served no other purpose then to offend. I really liked the pork landscape by the way.

A lot of the responses to Mandelson have been mean spirited, and understandably so, as his position and his methods of arguing for it are idiotic, but Mandelsons responses have been no worse then what he's been confronted with here. Telling someone to go fuck themselves isn't against the rules, and issuing warnings for it is bullshit.

[FBM]

JOZ, staff make a clear distinction between a reminder and a warning. That was just a reminder. I don't have time to go back through the whole thread, but I think they're sprinkled around fairly liberally and, as far as I remember, fairly. If not, we need to be aware of our (staff's) own bias, if such exists.

[Feck]

JOZ, staff make a clear distinction between a reminder and a warning. That was just a reminder. I don't have time to go back through the whole thread, but I think they're sprinkled around fairly liberally and, as far as I remember, fairly. If not, we need to be aware of our (staff's) own bias, if such
exists.

I got a reminder and Pm from admin and it was a from a male admin so It counts twice as much as one from a female admin ?

[charlou]

JOZ, staff make a clear distinction between a reminder and a warning. That was just a reminder. I don't have time to go back through the whole thread, but I think they're sprinkled around fairly liberally and, as far as I remember, fairly. If not, we need to be aware of our (staff's) own bias, if such
exists.

I got a reminder and Pm from admin and it was a from a male admin so It counts twice as much as one from a female admin ?

But only half as much fun.

[Feck]

JOZ, staff make a clear distinction between a reminder and a warning. That was just a reminder. I don't have time to go back through the whole thread, but I think they're sprinkled around fairly liberally and, as far as I remember, fairly. If not, we need to be aware of our (staff's) own bias, if such
exists.

I got a reminder and Pm from admin and it was a from a male admin so It counts twice as much as one from a female admin ?

But only half as much fun.

Go and put on some modest clothes and stop interrupting Woman .....Men were talking !

[Bella Fortuna]

"Talking".....

[MrFungus420]

One of the attributes of that woman is that she could be said to be beautiful (Again though, this is a subjective opinion).

Beauty does not exist as something in and of itself. There must be something to exhibit the properties that we find beautiful. It is an adjective...it is a description.

Water pours down your back, not wet. One of the properties of water is wetness. When water gets on something, it imparts the property of wetness.

MrFungus420 mate, you are playing with words.

No. I'm not.

beauty exists and wetness exists. water is respoinsible for getting you wet and Allah is respeonsible for making you beautiful. cant you understand that simple thing mate.

No. Wetness is a property of water. Wetness does not exist itself. Wetness is a word to describe something that has water on it.

Beauty is a property that something may have. Beauty does not exist itself. Beautiful is a word to describe something that we find aesthetically pleasing.

Okay. So it's agreed that humans don't actually create anything. They just rearrange stuff that already exists.

Now, you have said that Allah created order and good. Those are not things that can be made by rearrangement. So that would be a true act of creation, something forever beyond the capabilities of humans. That would be an act of the type of creation that only a god could perform.

You also said that Iblis created chaos and evil. This would be an act of creation equal to that of Allah.

i dont get you mate. whats this equal business? if go and bomb the white house then i would be an evil person. although i created evil but that dont mean im equal to God.

No, that isn't creating evil. That would be performing an act that some would consider to be evil (there are also those who would call it an act of good).

You said that Iblis created evil and chaos. You said that Allah created good and order. So they are each responsible for equal and opposite halves of creation.

Allah created half...good and order.
Iblis created half...evil and chaos.

You said that Allah created good and that Iblis created evil.

But, I should thank you for agreeing that Iblis's act of creation was equivalent to Allah's act of creation. Once again you have made Iblis a co-creator with Allah.

no, i said no such thing.

Want to bet?

You have said that Iblis creates chaos and evil. That is no different than creating goodness and order. They are equivalent.

yes i know. so? so what? Allah goes good and iblis does evil.

There you go. Your agreement that they are equivalent...your agreement that Allah created the good and orderly half and Iblis created the evil and chaotic half. That makes them co-creators.

[Feck]

And chaos wins . Or are we going to try to use the laws of thermodynamics as a proof for God but then ignore them later in the arguement ?


Arguement from stupidity and pride :

If there is no god then I have said some stupid stuff and look like a fool.
I do not want to look like a stupid fool

Therefore there is a god

[mandy]

JOZeldenrust, thank you mate. but let me tell you something ok. no one on rationalia forum is gonna listen reasonable things from you, coz fella and rules here are pro anti-logic.

which is why i reckon the name should be changed to Relaxia.
the atheists love chilling more than thinking.

[mandy]

mandelson "i said if you didnt create matter, neither did i, then we can say it was Allah who did the universe"

Is it possible to have more logic failures in one sentence?

like which ones? go on then, just show one thing that is wrong with it. im waiting mate.

I'm talking perfectly nicely here. My points in bold are simply to make my argument clear. I am simply asking for the evidences you promised.

thats bollocks. you thought you could boss me around. you even tried it. anyone who even thinks about it, i tell them to

noboby but Allah bosses me around. thats coz i submit to no one but him. he is only real boss of the universe. you are never gonna be my boss psycho. so dont even think about it. talk nicely.

Since your second 'evidence', fourteen days ago, you have posted forty times in these threads, with the majority of the posts being significantly more than one hundred words.

have noticed only my posts; have you not counted how many times other chaps have been posting here as well? if you have tell me their numbers as well.

alright, tell you what, ill get the third evidence done over the weekend and post it next week.

If you continue to use the excuse that the remaining evidences are big, complicated, and take a long time to get together - you are setting yourself up for an essay, if not a book. In which case I suggest you give up on the first two, and get on with writing them.

i never said evidence are long. the rest of the evidences are not big either. they are like these first two. you are making it up that i said they would be big. i said they are important and i need to make sure there is nothing wrong with them. otherwise these chaps here would really rip me. all evidences for Allah which are 12 and i know only about 5 or 6, are all short and sweet, and to the point. im writing collecting them in my diary. no one can really deny them logically. evidences i give you for Allah are scientifically and rationally accurate. yeah, you can be stubborn and say all sorts of bollocks, but you cant prove them wrong.

I have given justification that by your religion you should be giving us all of these evidences as soon as you can. This whole thread is, according to you, specifically for giving us these evidences. And yet you have repeatedly failed to give any sensible justification as to why you are holding them back.

i did tell you mate. i gave you justification. just coz it dont make sense to you, dont mean its not right.
you atheist chaps take big things lightly. Allah is not a small matter. Allah is big, deep and very important.

Is it because, deep down, you now understand that these 'evidences' are false, and can't prove anything?

you dont trust anyone do you mate? i post about Allah what i believe myself to be true and logical. i dont deceive myself like you might do. its not proper for honest men to do that mate.

if i thought that something to do with my beliefs about Allah is false, then why would i give it to other people. if i ever did it, that would be hateful to Allah and he would burn my lying arse. Allah says dont tell other what you dont do yourself. if you do, you are outside on your own, you are gonna be burning and burning.

Tails Turrosaki:

WHAT THE FUCK. You can SEE electrons, just not with the naked eye. You just need a very, very, very, very, very... etc. strong microscope.

no you cant mate. have you not been to no science lesson ever? you cant see em mate.
ok, go on then, lets see em. if you think you can see electrons, then post a picture of one here. strong microscope my arse.

[colubridae]

have you not been to no science lesson ever?

*tsk* *tsk*

Double negatives again...

Your english teacher wouldn't like what you ain't not doin'. Not never!

[Tigger]

Morning, Ray. You ok, dude?

[FBM]

JOZ, staff make a clear distinction between a reminder and a warning. That was just a reminder. I don't have time to go back through the whole thread, but I think they're sprinkled around fairly liberally and, as far as I remember, fairly. If not, we need to be aware of our (staff's) own bias, if such
exists.

I got a reminder and Pm from admin and it was a from a male admin so It counts twice as much as one from a female admin ?

What is twice as much as nothing?

[Clinton Huxley]

What a thread - no logical fallacy left un-frottered.

[mandy]

Wakan Tanka. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakan_Tanka

i read your link. ta. this is what it said:

Wakan Tanka

In the Sioux way of life, Wakan Tanka is the term for "the sacred" or "the divine". This is usually translated as "The Great Spirit". However, according to Russell Means, its meaning is closer to "Great Mystery" as Lakota spirituality is not monotheistic. Before the attempted conversion to Christianity, Wakan Tanka was used to refer to an organization of sacred entities whose ways were mysterious; thus, "The Great Mystery". It is typically understood as the power or the sacredness which resides in everything, similar to many animistic and pantheistic beliefs. This term describes every creature and object as wakkn ("holy") or having aspects that are wakan. Wakan Tanka was supposed to have placed the stones and minerals in the ground. They were also supposed to change the seasons and weather, and plants were supposed to have come out of the ground by their hand.

Far more powerful than your god.

first of all, before i go into other things, i wanna apologise to you mate. im sorry for what i said to you.

now that i have said what i had to say, can you tell me what can Allah not do which your Wakan Tanka can do, coz you said he got more power than Allah.