Scientific Proof Of God

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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

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I assume even atheists like music. Explain the effect of music on the human soul?
If I had a soul and there were a hell, guess where it would have gone by now?

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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

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Brian Peacock wrote:
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You don't believe in a loving god then Denis - only the thin-skinned, spiteful, brutal, abusive god?
Anyway, between the babble and a reality check, the myth of a loving god is thoroughly dispelled, debunked, and relegated to QAnon conspiracy theory.
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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

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Svartalf wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:44 am
Brian Peacock wrote:
Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:33 pm
You don't believe in a loving god then Denis - only the thin-skinned, spiteful, brutal, abusive god?
Anyway, between the babble and a reality check, the myth of a god is thoroughly dispelled, debunked, and relegated to QAnon conspiracy theory.
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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

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JimC wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:52 am
Svartalf wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:44 am
Brian Peacock wrote:
Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:33 pm
You don't believe in a loving god then Denis - only the thin-skinned, spiteful, brutal, abusive god?
Anyway, between the babble and a reality check, the myth of a god is thoroughly dispelled, debunked, and relegated to QAnon conspiracy theory.
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Here's a challenge: prove the non-existence of a supernatural creator of the universe.
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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by JimC » Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:42 am

It's the default assumption...
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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:45 am

Default is no god. How about the rest of the universe Dennis? That does not exist? You have always refused to answer.
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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by rainbow » Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:11 am

superuniverse wrote:
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I assume even atheists like music. Explain the effect of music on the human soul?
Atheists do not exist and the human soul is a myth.

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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by Hermit » Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:29 am

JimC wrote:
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It's the default assumption...
Actually, there is no default assumption as such. We are born with no assumptions about anything whatsoever. In this case we are not born with the assumption that a supernatural creator of the universe exists, nor that a supernatural creator of the universe does not exist. Not that it matters anyway. Assumptions do not amount to proof. So I challenge you once again: prove the non-existence of a supernatural creator of the universe.
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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:39 am

Didn't we deal with all that in 2009?
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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

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Didn't we deal with all that in 2009?
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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

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Brian Peacock wrote:
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Didn't we deal with all that in 2009?
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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by rainbow » Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:07 am

Of key significance here is Kant’s distinction between “logical” versus “real” predicates. The former is best understood as a syntactic notion: the second term, along with the subject term, of a complete and well-formed proposition. A real predicate, by contrast, is distinguished by its semantic function. As Kant describes it, a real predicate “goes beyond the concept of the subject and enlarges it” (A598/B626). Hence, logical and real predicates involve two different orders of analysis, one syntactic, one semantic. They are neither mutually exclusive (Abaci 2008), nor exhaustive (Pasternack 2018). They instead distinguish between two different roles that one and the same term can have.
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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:33 pm

Hermit wrote:
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Didn't we deal with all that in 2009?
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Ok. The absence of material evidence in support of claims for supernatural entities justifiably supports the conclusion that supernatural entities do not exist.
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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:49 pm

A little article posing massive problems for our godders.

Does the size of the universe prove God doesn’t exist?
Scientists now know that the universe contains at least two trillion galaxies. It’s a mind-scrunchingly big place, very different to the conception of the universe we had when the world’s major religions were founded. So do the astronomical discoveries of the last few centuries have implications for religion?

Over the last few decades, a new way of arguing for atheism has emerged. Philosophers of religion such as Michael Martin and Nicholas Everitt have asked us to consider the kind of universe we would expect the Christian God to have created, and compare it with the universe we actually live in. They argue there is a mismatch. Everitt focuses on how big the universe is, and argues this gives us reason to believe the God of classical Christianity doesn’t exist.

To explain why, we need a little theology. Traditionally, the Christian God is held to be deeply concerned with human beings. Genesis (1:27) states: “God created mankind in his own image.” Psalms (8:1-5) says: “O Lord … What is man that You take thought of him … Yet You have made him a little lower than God, And You crown him with glory and majesty!” And, of course, John (3:16) explains God gave humans his son out of love for us.

These texts show that God is human-oriented: human beings are like God, and he values us highly. Although we’re focusing on Christianity, these claims can be found in other monotheistic religions, too.
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