What is faith? Really?

[Seth]

When you answer my rebuttal of your point. How will we ever know if we know "everything'??

When our knowledge is perfect, ipso facto, we will know.

What part of "perfect" is unclear to you?

[JimC]

When you answer my rebuttal of your point. How will we ever know if we know "everything'??

When our knowledge is perfect, ipso facto, we will know.

What part of "perfect" is unclear to you?

Possession of perfect knowledge by hominids whose cognitive power has an obvious upper limit seems somewhat ambitious...

[pErvinalia]

When you answer my rebuttal of your point. How will we ever know if we know "everything'??

When our knowledge is perfect, ipso facto, we will know.

What part of "perfect" is unclear to you?

You're shitting me, right? Do you understand simple logic?? (of course you don't).

[pErvinalia]

When you answer my rebuttal of your point. How will we ever know if we know "everything'??

When our knowledge is perfect, ipso facto, we will know.

What part of "perfect" is unclear to you?

Possession of perfect knowledge by hominids whose cognitive power has an obvious upper limit seems somewhat ambitious...

It's also impossible to say what you don't know. Unless Seth is like Rumsfield with his stupid "known unknowns"..

[Hermit]

When you answer my rebuttal of your point. How will we ever know if we know "everything'??

When our knowledge is perfect, ipso facto, we will know.

What part of "perfect" is unclear to you?

Possession of perfect knowledge by hominids whose cognitive power has an obvious upper limit seems somewhat ambitious...

It's also impossible to say what you don't know. Unless Seth is like Rumsfield with his stupid "known unknowns"..

You people just don't understand. The path to perfect knowledge is long and arduous, but you can get there, and when you have reached the end of that road, there'll be a sign. It's that simple, you see.

Oops. Wrong sign.

I'll get back to you about that.

[JimC]

When you answer my rebuttal of your point. How will we ever know if we know "everything'??

When our knowledge is perfect, ipso facto, we will know.

What part of "perfect" is unclear to you?

Possession of perfect knowledge by hominids whose cognitive power has an obvious upper limit seems somewhat ambitious...

It's also impossible to say what you don't know. Unless Seth is like Rumsfield with his stupid "known unknowns"..

Donald Rumsfelt?

Anyway, I know the bloke you mean, although certainly not perfectly...

I'm sure Seth regarded him as a bit of a pinko...

[Seth]

When you answer my rebuttal of your point. How will we ever know if we know "everything'??

When our knowledge is perfect, ipso facto, we will know.

What part of "perfect" is unclear to you?

Possession of perfect knowledge by hominids whose cognitive power has an obvious upper limit seems somewhat ambitious...

However ambitious or unlikely, the logical truth remains. Hominids do evolve, you see.

[Seth]

When you answer my rebuttal of your point. How will we ever know if we know "everything'??

When our knowledge is perfect, ipso facto, we will know.

What part of "perfect" is unclear to you?

You're shitting me, right? Do you understand simple logic?? (of course you don't).

So how about you devise a logical syllogism demonstrating what's wrong with my logic? I'll do one for you:

P1 Perfect knowledge eliminates all questions.
P2 "Does God exist" is a question.
C1 Perfect knowledge will answer the question "Does God exist."

[Hermit]

So how about you devise a logical syllogism demonstrating what's wrong with my logic? I'll do one for you:

P1 Perfect knowledge eliminates all questions.
P2 "Does God exist" is a question.
C1 Perfect knowledge will answer the question "Does God exist."

Something missing there. What might it be? Oh, yes. This: Perfect knowledge is attainable.

[MrJonno]

When the apocalypse comes and the christian death cults freak ask Seth 'do you accept Jesus as your personal lord and saviour' anything other than yes = you are an atheist and if you are lucky they will just leave you on your own.

Through more likely Seth will just say 'yes'

[pErvinalia]

When you answer my rebuttal of your point. How will we ever know if we know "everything'??

When our knowledge is perfect, ipso facto, we will know.

What part of "perfect" is unclear to you?

You're shitting me, right? Do you understand simple logic?? (of course you don't).

So how about you devise a logical syllogism demonstrating what's wrong with my logic? I'll do one for you:

P1 Perfect knowledge eliminates all questions.
P2 "Does God exist" is a question.
C1 Perfect knowledge will answer the question "Does God exist."

The problem is that you assume we can know everything. We might be able to do that, but we could never be certain we know everything. To know everything would be to be able to explain everything at all times and places in the universe. Given we exist in only one slice of time, then how can we say that we know everything that could happen in the future?

[piscator]

When you answer my rebuttal of your point. How will we ever know if we know "everything'??

When our knowledge is perfect, ipso facto, we will know.

What part of "perfect" is unclear to you?

You're shitting me, right? Do you understand simple logic?? (of course you don't).

So how about you devise a logical syllogism demonstrating what's wrong with my logic? I'll do one for you:

P1 Perfect knowledge eliminates all questions.
P2 "Does God exist" is a question.
C1 Perfect knowledge will answer the question "Does God exist."

Don't be a craphat. Start with a proper syllogism:


P1 Perfect knowledge eliminates all questions.
P2 "Does God exist" is a question.
C1 Perfect knowledge will answer eliminate the question "Does God exist."

Carry on.

[Seth]

When you answer my rebuttal of your point. How will we ever know if we know "everything'??

When our knowledge is perfect, ipso facto, we will know.

What part of "perfect" is unclear to you?

You're shitting me, right? Do you understand simple logic?? (of course you don't).

So how about you devise a logical syllogism demonstrating what's wrong with my logic? I'll do one for you:

P1 Perfect knowledge eliminates all questions.
P2 "Does God exist" is a question.
C1 Perfect knowledge will answer the question "Does God exist."

Don't be a craphat. Start with a proper syllogism:


P1 Perfect knowledge eliminates all questions.
P2 "Does God exist" is a question.
C1 Perfect knowledge will answer eliminate the question "Does God exist."

Carry on.

Answer...eliminate...same thing. A distinction without a difference. Pettifoggery.

[Seth]

So how about you devise a logical syllogism demonstrating what's wrong with my logic? I'll do one for you:

P1 Perfect knowledge eliminates all questions.
P2 "Does God exist" is a question.
C1 Perfect knowledge will answer the question "Does God exist."

Something missing there. What might it be? Oh, yes. This: Perfect knowledge is attainable.

No, that's an entirely separate issue. Whether or not perfect knowledge is attainable has nothing whatever to do with the logic of the syllogism or the logic of my non-theistic beliefs about God that make me neither an atheist nor an agnostic nor a theist, which is after all the point of this excursion. rEv insisted that I must be an agnostic, which I denied. I presented my logical argument as to why I'm not agnostic or theistic, nor atheistic.

I'm a Tolerist™ and I suppose I should also vest myself with the cloak of Rationalist, being that so far I'm the only one here who is rational enough to see that the choice of belief with respect to God goes beyond atheism, agnosticism or theism. I'm going to call this fourth category "rationalism" since it's purely rational to conclude, based on all the pertinent evidence known to man, that it is impossible to conclude that God exists or does not exist at this stage of human knowledge. Therefore the only rational answer to the question "Does God exist?" must be "I don't know."

Any other answer assumes facts not in evidence and shows irrational and illogical thinking.

[Seth]

When the apocalypse comes and the christian death cults freak ask Seth 'do you accept Jesus as your personal lord and saviour' anything other than yes = you are an atheist and if you are lucky they will just leave you on your own.

Through more likely Seth will just say 'yes'

I'm down with Pascal. He's my homie...