Why is Islam growing fastest?

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Well there you show your BAD attitude towards women again ..... you are digging a hole Mandy .

[kiki5711]

Nawwww! Something is fishy here!

[Faithfree]

This thread is hilarious after a few glasses of red.

[Ayaan]

This thread is hilarious after a few glasses of red.

I may have to try that.

[CJ]

Pure comedy gold!

And instructive too! Look how the combination of gullibility and ignorance has allowed the Islamic meme to corrupt a probably intelligent human mind. Mandy is a perfect example of the damage religious teaching and dogma can do.

And he used his favourite smily :pissed: again! Rage Boy don't

[Feck]

This thread is hilarious after a few glasses of red.

He is making me laugh ...shit That must be good grass

[charlou]

oi Charlou you said you dont like burka and nikab. so how come you not answering my questions i asked you yesterday?
so please come now Charlou. go back, sit your arse down if you want, see my stuff, and then give me your pretty views. ta.
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 00#p438481

How about a pretty view of me sitting my arse down?

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Show me your "stuff" ...

[GenesForLife]

Charlou.

Mandelson, I oppose the Burqa or the Niqab for medical and scientific reasons.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/ne ... uncovered/

At the moment, only a minority of PCTs give out free supplements, but almost all health visitors recommend them to Asian families.

Almost all the 56 cases found between 2003 and 2005 were in Blackburn with Darwen's South Asian community.

Just 14 cases were found in the Burnley, Pendle and Rossendale area, where supplements are provided.

Experts said vitamin D, which is unique in being produced primarily by exposure to sunlight, was a relatively common deficiency among Asian immigrants, because of their darker skin, and Islam's requirements for clothing to cover limbs.

And also...

Rickets, Vitamin D and Sunlight

Britain, despite recent heatwaves, is not traditionally regarded as a sunny country. But it still has enough UVB radiation to provide the necessary vitamin D to keep the body healthy. As a result, most children and ambulatory adults get enough sunlight to create Vitamin D. During the Industrial Revolution, a disease became common, though its causes were then unknown. Many children were sent to work in factories, and hardly ever saw natural sunlight, and their diet rarely gave them enough vitamin D. Even when the children were allowed out, the high presence of smog reduced the amount of UVB light available.

As a result they later began to show typical signs of the condition commonly called rickets - bowed legs, caused by tiny "greenstick" fractures in the bone. This condition is caused by softening of the bone, a condition called osteomalacia. Once the child became an adult, the deformities and short stature were visibly apparent. But along the way, other side-effects could occur, such as seizures. These seizures (hypocalcemic seizures, brought on by an increase of parathyroid hormonal byproducts in the body) are common ways of detecting rickets in very young children, under nine months. They are less common in older children.

In severe cases, the distortions on bone in the pelvis caused women to be unable to deliver children, usually with fatal results.

Vitamin D is formed in the human body by the UVB sunlight reacting with 7-dehydrocholesterol, creating previtaminD3 . The body's normal temperature then causes this to form vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol, a steroid agent). Dietary intake of oily fish, eggs and butter produces less of the body's vitamin D than sunlight. Vitamin D formed in the skin or absorbed by the intestine is of itself inert, and needs to be further processed in the liver (making 25-hydroxyvitamin D3) and then again hydroxylated in the kidney to create 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D3 or calcitrol.

Calcitrol helps calcium and phosphorus to be absorbed from the intestine, helps the kidneys to reabsorb phosphate, and in bone, helps it to release calcium and phosphate, and to stay strong and healthy. In growing children, the osteoid, or bone material fails to calcify properly in the absence of calcitrol.

Rickets as a condition has been described since the mid 1600s, but only in the 1920s was it discovered that a lack of sunlight was the cause of most cases of rickets. For people with dark skin pigmentation, up to six times more sunlight exposure is needed to produce the necessary calcitrol in the body.

Rickets And The Veil

In 1931, Dagmar Curjel Wilson conducted a survey among several thousands of school age children in what was then northern India. He concluded that the causes of rickets were predominantly social, such as purdah, (wearing of the the veil and burka, and seclusion for females), as well as poor housing design preventing access to sunlight, and an inadequate diet.

Since then, evidence of burkas causing a chemical deficiency of vitamin D has come to light from various sources. A 2001 study by Sonia R Grover and Ruth Morley was carried out among pregnant women at an antenatal clinic in the Royal Women's Hospital, a teaching hospital in Melbourne, Victoria. The study concerned 94 women who were veiled or of dark skin. 82 of these agreed to be screened, and 66 women (80%) were found to be having low levels of Serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D3.

Another study from Australia published in the same year, carried out by Josephine M. Nozza and Christine P. Rodda discovered that of 55 children who were found to have osteomalacia, 54 of these were from mothers who had the ethnocultural factors (wearing veils/burkas and/or dark skin) expected. When 31 of the 55 mothers were tested (81%), 25 of these (81%) were found to have low levels of 25-hydroxyvitamin D3, consistent with osteomalacia. The evidence had been gathered in two clinical admisitrative regions in Melbourne Victoria between June 1994 and February 1999.

More reports on Australia and Vitamin D deficiency among "multiethnic" Australians can be found here and in another report concerning Sydney. The latter report found that an increasing number of cases of children with rickets was being discovered in Sydney. 126 cases were diagnosed between 1993 and 2003. Almost exclusively, the incidence of childhood rickets came either from Africa (33%), the Indian subcontinent (37%) and the Middle East (11%). 79% of the cases were children born in Australia. A third of the cases presented initially with the hypocalcaemic seizures, and 22% already had bowed legs.


A study of Arab women in Denmark (Calcif Tissue Int 2000; 66: 419-424) by researchers Glerup, Mikkelsen, Poulsen and others found that a group of Arab women suffering from muscle pain and weakness were suffering from a deficiency of vitamin D, which improved after three months of vitamin D therapy.

Another Australian study reported in the Proceedings of the 9th Annual Scientific Meeting of the Australia and New Zealand Bone and Mineral Society, Cairns, June 1999, found that Muslim women were 2.5 times more likely to be suffering from bone pains and osteoporosis than women of European descent.


So what is happening, it appears, is that traditional methods of covering up women in burkas depletes the available vitamin D in the body, leading to symptoms related to or directly causing rickets. But additionally, it also appears that these women then give birth to children who also have a lack of the necessary vitamin D byproducts to prevent rickets, unless these children are exposed while very young to sunlight, the source of most of the body's natural vitamin D.

In women who only breast fed their infants from the affected groups in the Australian studies, there appeared to be a higher incidence of children who had rickets and its related symptoms. Milk formulas and most cows' milk in the West has additional vitamin D added. But normal breast milk contains only minimal amounts of vitamin D, probably due to our evolutionary origins in tropical and sunny climes.

But newborns are affected with low levels of Vitamin D if their mothers are deficient in the vitamin. A 2005 study in northern India found that there was a high prevalence of vitamin D deficiency in pregnant women and their newborns. The study also looked at blood from the umbilical cord, and here found low levels of 25-hydroxyvitamin D or 25(OH)D corresponding with the levels in their mothers who had low amounts. The researchers noted that "on the basis of what is known in the literature, we can conclude that a large proportion of our newborns have 25(OH)D concentrations that will predispose them to neonatal hypocalcemia and infantile rickets and to the attendant morbidity."


Afghan burkas- In Afghanistan under the Taliban, combinations of poor diet and forcing women to be secluded at home, only to be allowed out wearing burkas, led to a resurgence of osteomalacia, according to Dr Sima Samar. She said at her clinic in Kabul in 2001: "Almost every woman I see has osteomalacia. Their bones are softening due to a lack of Vitamin D. They survive on a diet of tea and naan because they can't afford eggs and milk and, to complicate matters, their burqas and veils deprive them of sunshine."

In the Middle East, where many women wear veils and burkas, it is perhaps fortunate that young girls are not expected to start to cover themselves up in such attire until they are aged nine or older.

In Saudi Arabia in 2002, a study carried out between 1994 to December 1999 found that though less common than in countries like India, osteolamalacia was found in forty-two children and adolescents (25 females and 17 males). It was evident that lack of direct exposure to sunlight and poor calcium intake was responsible. Eight of the children had multiple stress fractures.

Incidence of rickets in young children is not only present in the Middle East, but it too appears to be increasing. The World Health Organisation reported on June 28 this year that in the Gaza Strip, a recent study had found that more than 4 per cent of children aged between 6 and 36 months were suffering from clinical rickets.

Britain

In Britain's usually grey climate, there was an outbreak of rickets in the 1970s. The condition was particularly affecting people who had arrived from the Indian subcontinent. One study from 1979 concluded that the outbreak was perhaps caused by a particular cereal eaten in the Indian subcontinent which was said to affect the body's absorption of vitamin D, but this is now not regarded as a significant factor in the pattern of causality.

In response to the increased incidence of rickets from the 1970s to the early 1980s, public health practitioners responded to the situation by giving mothers and their children vitamin D supplements and by the mid 1980s, the incidence of rickets seemed to drop.

However, in 2002 a high incidence of rickets was reportedin the West Midlands in Britain, once again raising the fears that a new outbreak was happening again. From May 2000 and May 2001, researchers at Birmingham Children's Hospital (BCH) found 24 victims under the age of five. That amounted to 8.9 cases per 100,000 children.

Dr Nick Shaw, a consultant endocrinologist said: "That's high, in that it's a condition that was thought to have virtually disappeared. We are recommending a national survey. It is not just a problem in the West Midlands."

The 24 cases were successfully given Vitamin D supplements. Shaw's study results were sent to the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health.

But the problem has not gone away, and as mentioned above, dietary vitamin D is usually only responsible for some of the necessary calcitrol in the body. The majority of the body's vitamin D comes from sunlight. It appears that in areas such as Britain and also the Gaza Strip the higher incidence of small children developing rickets is because since the late 1990s there has been a resurgence of women being culturally pressured to wear the burka and the hijab, and to stay more at home.

Today, a report in IC Birmingham, originally from the Sunday Mercury shows that the increase in childhood incidence of rickets is still continuing in the West Midlands. And it the burka, rather than diet, which is now being blamed for the resurgence of rickets cases.

The burka was not worn much by Muslim women in Britain, apart from a few examples of ultra-orthodox women. But since the late 1990s and the rise of the hijab, the all-enveloping burka has become more prevalent in Britain's urban Muslim communities. Since 9/11 and particularly so after 7/7, more young Muslim women are apparently proud to cover themselves from head to toe, as a political display of their "Muslim piety". And as a result, their children are paying the price for their mothers' religious vanity.

Since the 2002 study, which caused alarm bells to ring, the number of rickets incidents has increased. Between 2003 and now, there have been 65 cases of children with rickets in Birmingham alone.

In typically PC fashion, a spokesman from the Primary Care Trust of the "Heart of Birmingham" catchment area said: "Anecdotal evidence suggests that mothers and babies from some minority ethnic communities may be more affected. This is because women traditionally do not expose their skin to sunlight."

"However, Vitamin D deficiency can also be due to confinement in the home for medical or other reasons, diet, mal-absorption syndromes and liver or kidney disease."

£150,000 ($280,086) is being spent on a campaign to target the prevalence of rickets in infants, which is being focused on Sparkhill, Handsworth, Winson Green, Sparkbrook and Ladywood in the city of Birmingham. These areas have a high incidence of Muslims.

Dr Jacky Chambers is the director of public health at the Heart of Birmingham Primary Care Trust. She says: "Women who cover up for cultural reasons may be at higher risk of Vitamin D deficiency. In addition to taking Vitamin D supplements, we are urging mothers to help themselves to get some sunlight. They should make sure they are exposed to the sun, without burning, for a short time each day."

Various measures are suggested for women who cover up to get some sun, such as going to the shops more, or sitting on a balcony or in a garden to get sunlight.

A far better way would be to encourage these brood mares for Allah to stop making such crass statements about how pious they are, wrap a hijab (headscarf) around their heads if really necessary, but to attempt in all other ways to dress and act as normal members of a Western society. Allow an arm or an ankle to be shown.

Such political expressions of one's faith, as well as increasing the segregation between Muslim and non-Muslim communities, is not good for innocent children. There is no religious need.

And though the spokesperson for the Heart of Birmingham Primary Care Trust states "Deficiency is easily counteracted with Vitamin D supplements," this is not strictly true. By the time a child has developed hypocalcemic seizures (usually the first noticeable symptom), it will have suffered an overbalance of its parathyroid actions, and the kidneys will have lost some of their ability to produce phosphate. In consequence, this will have affected the normal development of bone. The child will also have undergone pain from the seizures.

And all this is so unnecessary. Why should taxpayers' money be spent on giving dietary supplements and information leaflets to selfish women who would rather parade their piety in a political statement, rather than care about their own (and their children's) physical health and well-being? And after all, sunlight is free.

From http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index. ... le&sid=315

See, your nonexistent sky daddy knows not about biology, (Well yeah, this deity of yours thinks sperm is formed between the loins and the ribs, mind getting castrated so you can test your medieval book of myths' theory? )

[Ayaan]

"religious vanity"

GenesforLife, I hope you don't mind me picking on this one phrase, but it's something I've thought about before. Wearing such garb as the burka or niqab in a culture where every other woman wears similar garments could be seen as being modest. However, wearing such garb in a culture where such garments aren't usually warn is vanity - it does nothing but call attention to the wearer, much as if someone wore a bathrobe to a White House dinner. So wearing a burka or niqab in a village in Britain or in a small town in the US is the height of vanity - it's screams, "Look at how pious I am!" Whereas a woman in either place wearing a short-sleeved blouse and slightly above the knee skirt would just be part of the crowd.

[GenesForLife]

"religious vanity"

GenesforLife, I hope you don't mind me picking on this one phrase, but it's something I've thought about before. Wearing such garb as the burka or niqab in a culture where every other woman wears similar garments could be seen as being modest. However, wearing such garb in a culture where such garments aren't usually warn is vanity - it does nothing but call attention to the wearer, much as if someone wore a bathrobe to a White House dinner. So wearing a burka or niqab in a village in Britain or in a small town in the US is the height of vanity - it's screams, "Look at how pious I am!" Whereas a woman in either place wearing a short-sleeved blouse and slightly above the knee skirt would just be part of the crowd.

Well Ayaan, It wasn't my original work so you can pick on whatever phrase you want

[JacksSmirkingRevenge]

oi Charlou you said you dont like burka and nikab. so how come you not answering my questions i asked you yesterday?
so please come now Charlou. go back, sit your arse down if you want, see my stuff, and then give me your pretty views. ta.
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 00#p438481

How about a pretty view of me sitting my arse down?

Trigger Warning!!!1! :

Show me your "stuff" ...

It looks like you're running dangerously short so I've sent you some more bog-roll.

Edit - You may have to make do with using pages from the koran until it arrives.

[MrFungus420]

If it is a “barbaric” religion

There is no "if". Islam is a barbaric religion.

What is the penalty for apostasy (leaving Islam)?

[Xamonas Chegwé]

What is the penalty for apostasy (leaving Islam)?

It's your round!

[Gawdzilla Sama]

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