Splain this one, god loonies

[DaveDodo007]

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Actually, I don't need to pose a question.

The answer is always the same to EVERY question. God did it with his magic.

And he moves in mysterious ways.

That's all you need. Every question sorted. Wonderful stuff.

It is easy to mock, though how were our ancestors suppose to answer this very question? They didn't have the knowledge we have now,

Yes, it is easy to mock. So easy that retards do it all the time. So, tell us, what knowledge do "we" have today with respect to the existence or non existence of God that our ancestors did not have?

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Some evidence for a god, any god would be a nice start.

[DaveDodo007]

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Actually, I don't need to pose a question.

The answer is always the same to EVERY question. God did it with his magic.

And he moves in mysterious ways.

That's all you need. Every question sorted. Wonderful stuff.

It is easy to mock, though how were our ancestors suppose to answer this very question? They didn't have the knowledge we have now, It is quite easy to see how religion evolved. Even now look at how many people who are non believers still cling to some dubious moral code. There probably exist some part of the human psyche that needs this belief just to function, obvious not with all humans but with a hell of a lot of them.

I didn't mock our ancestors. I agree, they didn't have the advantages that we have.
It's a basic inherited human trait, to form a mental picture of a living entity, to explain physical occurrences that we don't understand.

From an evolutionary point of view, this is an advantageous trait.
In wild Africa, many predators hunt mainly by night. So the only way that you can be aware of their presence is from signs found in the daytime. So you see signs, and picture what kind of creature made those signs. It's a fundamental way of understanding your environment, that helps you stay alive.

So when modern people see things that they don't understand, it's perfectly natural to attribute those signs to some kind of entity. And the bigger the mystery, the bigger the imagined entity.

And that's why, when we first began to ponder the cause of the bigger things, like how the world came about, we imagined a superhuman entity. As no human was capable of creating worlds, that seemed obvious.

Good post, thanks for the clarification.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

And he moves in mysterious ways.

From a hymn written by William Cowper in 1773. Originally, "God moves in a mysterious way". Not anywhere in the bible, although it's amazing how many don't realise that.

[Seth]

Yeah, religious people are fucking retards who doesn't know this.

Are they? Or are the Atheists the retards? To discover which is which simply post your critically robust scientific evidence that a universe with God is different from a universe without God.

Those who make the claim that a universe with God would be different from a universe without God but cannot provide this evidence are the retards.

Don't quotemine me as I was pointing out retardness happens all along the religion/non religion spectrum.

Your statement was quite specific and it says without qualification that religious people are "fucking retards."

I point out that you have provided zero evidence that "religious people are fucking retards" and I challenge you to do so.

I don't care who else you're maligning at the moment, I'm defending people of religion, who in my experience are most certainly not "fucking retards."

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Yeah, religious people are fucking retards who doesn't know this.

Are they? Or are the Atheists the retards? To discover which is which simply post your critically robust scientific evidence that a universe with God is different from a universe without God.

Those who make the claim that a universe with God would be different from a universe without God but cannot provide this evidence are the retards.

Don't quotemine me as I was pointing out retardness happens all along the religion/non religion spectrum.

Your statement was quite specific and it says without qualification that religious people are "fucking retards."

I point out that you have provided zero evidence that "religious people are fucking retards" and I challenge you to do so.

I don't care who else you're maligning at the moment, I'm defending people of religion, who in my experience are most certainly not "fucking retards."

I'm sure quite a lot of them have fucked retards in the past. And several are probably doing so as we speak. Prove they're not!

[DaveDodo007]

Yeah, religious people are fucking retards who doesn't know this.

Are they? Or are the Atheists the retards? To discover which is which simply post your critically robust scientific evidence that a universe with God is different from a universe without God.

Those who make the claim that a universe with God would be different from a universe without God but cannot provide this evidence are the retards.

Don't quotemine me as I was pointing out retardness happens all along the religion/non religion spectrum.

Your statement was quite specific and it says without qualification that religious people are "fucking retards."

I point out that you have provided zero evidence that "religious people are fucking retards" and I challenge you to do so.

I don't care who else you're maligning at the moment, I'm defending people of religion, who in my experience are most certainly not "fucking retards."

If you believe in god or gods or religion without having the evidence to back up your claims then you are a fucking retard, end of. I'm happy to call out atheists who also believe in some ideology without any evidence so what make you think religion gets a free pass? Give me your god/s phone number or email address and lets talk otherwise I'm suppose to believe some (delusional) faggots have a hot line to god and the rest of us have to take it as the truth. Sorry that is just not going to happen.

[Seth]

Yeah, religious people are fucking retards who doesn't know this.

Are they? Or are the Atheists the retards? To discover which is which simply post your critically robust scientific evidence that a universe with God is different from a universe without God.

Those who make the claim that a universe with God would be different from a universe without God but cannot provide this evidence are the retards.

Don't quotemine me as I was pointing out retardness happens all along the religion/non religion spectrum.

Your statement was quite specific and it says without qualification that religious people are "fucking retards."

I point out that you have provided zero evidence that "religious people are fucking retards" and I challenge you to do so.

I don't care who else you're maligning at the moment, I'm defending people of religion, who in my experience are most certainly not "fucking retards."

I'm sure quite a lot of them have fucked retards in the past. And several are probably doing so as we speak. Prove they're not!

Well, if the level of intellect here is any indication, you're absolutely right, not that it would help your arguments at all. I'd even venture a guess that most parents of members here are, or were religious to some degree, a situation that I would speculate is the norm not the exception.

One might even say that 80 percent of the population of the planet is more likely to be correct than the 20 percent (being extremely generous) who claim to be atheists.

[Seth]

Yeah, religious people are fucking retards who doesn't know this.

Are they? Or are the Atheists the retards? To discover which is which simply post your critically robust scientific evidence that a universe with God is different from a universe without God.

Those who make the claim that a universe with God would be different from a universe without God but cannot provide this evidence are the retards.

Don't quotemine me as I was pointing out retardness happens all along the religion/non religion spectrum.

Your statement was quite specific and it says without qualification that religious people are "fucking retards."

I point out that you have provided zero evidence that "religious people are fucking retards" and I challenge you to do so.

I don't care who else you're maligning at the moment, I'm defending people of religion, who in my experience are most certainly not "fucking retards."

If you believe in god or gods or religion without having the evidence to back up your claims then you are a fucking retard, end of.

This would depend on the evidence wouldn't it? Just because you're not privy to such evidence, or you disbelieve such evidence doesn't mean that evidence does not exist, now does it? Perhaps many of these people have had personal experiences with God that are both convincing to them and at the same time ephemeral phenomena that are deliberately and intentionally not amenable to scientific examination, quantification or analysis. God can, by definition, do such things and can have a personal relationship with someone without allowing you to be aware of the relationship and while deliberately denying you the ability to examine such evidence.

The absence of evidence...in your mind...does not equal evidence of absence. It may only provide evidence of your ignorance of the true facts of the universe.

I'm happy to call out atheists who also believe in some ideology without any evidence so what make you think religion gets a free pass? Give me your god/s phone number or email address and lets talk otherwise I'm suppose to believe some (delusional) faggots have a hot line to god and the rest of us have to take it as the truth. Sorry that is just not going to happen.

Well, I'm not asking you to believe anything, I'm merely pointing out how irrational, bigoted, hateful and anti-social it is to call people you don't even know "delusional faggots" merely because their beliefs differ from yours, particularly since you have absolutely zero evidence meeting your own putative standards of the falsity of their beliefs.

Such attitudes are not the hallmarks of advanced intellects, they are in fact the hallmarks of substantially inferior intellects.

Were I God, I'd go out of my way to deny hateful anti-religious bigots access to the benefits of a personal relationship with me. I'd let them stew in their own hatred for eternity, or until they come to their senses and drop the sanctimonious attitude that they know everything about everything and are therefore qualified to judge others and their beliefs.

[Hermit]

One might even say that 80 percent of the population of the planet is more likely to be correct than the 20 percent (being extremely generous) who claim to be atheists.

Argument from majority opinion fallacy.

I note that at one stage in history just about 100% of the human population believed the earth was flat.

I also note you don't apply the argument from majority opinion to democracy. A bit hypocritical, don't you think?

[Hermit]

Just because you're not privy to such evidence, or you disbelieve such evidence doesn't mean that evidence does not exist, now does it?

Of course not. Hence the stork theory of procreation can never be dismissed.

Nor can Tawusê Melek‎ be proven to not exist.



Also known as the Peacock Angel, he is the hero of my favourite creation story and destroyer of hell. An allround nice guy. The Yazidi consider Tawûsê Melek an emanation of God and a good, benevolent angel who has redeemed himself from his fall and has become a demiurge who created the cosmos from the Cosmic egg. After he repented, he wept for 7,000 years, his tears filling seven jars, which then quenched the fires of hell.

[Seth]

One might even say that 80 percent of the population of the planet is more likely to be correct than the 20 percent (being extremely generous) who claim to be atheists.

Argument from majority opinion fallacy.

I note that at one stage in history just about 100% of the human population believed the earth was flat.

I also note you don't apply the argument from majority opinion to democracy. A bit hypocritical, don't you think?

Not at all. I posted the appeal to popular belief fallacy quite deliberately and intentionally because the obverse argument, which is the argument atheists make, is exactly the same thing, only upside down.

Atheists claim that just because 80 percent of people believe in God doesn't prove that God exists, which is true. But on the other hand neither does it prove that God does not exist!

In other words, by claiming to be correct in their entirely unsupported assertion that God does not exist, Atheists are committing a fallacy as well.

As to democracy, I have nothing good to say about democracy, which is a very great evil. What I say is that the majority can't take away the fundamental rights of the minority merely because it wants to. I say this because I don't live in a democracy, I live in a constitutional republic that uses some limited democratic processes, but which strongly eschews the tyranny of the majority, otherwise know as "democracy."

[Hermit]

by claiming to be correct in their entirely unsupported assertion that God does not exist, Atheists are committing a fallacy as well.

Most atheists do not assert that god does not exist. Shall we do another lap around this course? If so, I anticipate you denying this. Then I'll quote the results of surveys, followed by your bald faced assertion that the atheists are lying. Rinse. Repeat.

[Seth]

by claiming to be correct in their entirely unsupported assertion that God does not exist, Atheists are committing a fallacy as well.

Most atheists do not assert that god does not exist. Shall we do another lap around this course? If so, I anticipate you denying this. Then I'll quote the results of surveys, followed by your bald faced assertion that the atheists are lying. Rinse. Repeat.

If you like. I trust my decades of empirical experience in debating with Atheists over self-serving surveys that can be easily falsified for political or ideological purposes to try to evade the truth.

If it walks like an Atheist, and it quacks like an Atheist, it's an Atheist. You are known by your works. Now, it's either lying or it's self-delusion, either of which makes no difference whatsoever to the truth of the fact that pretty much all Atheists have very positive and entirely religious beliefs about the non-existence of God, whether they admit to them or not.

[mistermack]

pretty much all Atheists have very positive and entirely religious beliefs about the non-existence of God, whether they admit to them or not.

You seem to be using the word "religious" to mean "illogical" and "unsupported by evidence".
At least you got something right.

Shooting yourself in the foot is an ever-present danger for god-nuts and gun-nuts.

[Seth]

pretty much all Atheists have very positive and entirely religious beliefs about the non-existence of God, whether they admit to them or not.

You seem to be using the word "religious" to mean "illogical" and "unsupported by evidence".
At least you got something right.

Shooting yourself in the foot is an ever-present danger for god-nuts and gun-nuts.

No, I use the word "religious" to mean what the dictionary says it means: "something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience."