Jihadis and leftists, united in misogyny

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Re: Jihadis and leftists, united in misogyny

Post by pErvinalia » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:51 pm

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rEvolutionist wrote:You don't seem to have followed correctly what is happening. The conservatives are calling for censorship, not free speech.
I don't understand Australians. :nono:
Well, you don't understand conservatism either. ;) Conservatives as a general rule aren't interested in free speech. They are only interested in free speech that they deem valuable. Conservatism isn't really based on any principled thinking at all, other than conservative (i.e. religiously inspired) morals.
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Re: Jihadis and leftists, united in misogyny

Post by Forty Two » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:16 pm

Unfortunately, labels like Conservative and Liberal, at least in the US, have become almost meaningless. The Conservative label applies to religious conservatives and the "religious right" -- but, the label is also used to apply to libertarian leaning folks, who often disagree with almost everything the traditional conservatives belief. The libertarian conservatives are very liberal, but they call themselves "classically liberal" to distinguish themselves from modern Liberals. The Liberals, of course, were traditionally all about liberty and the rights of the individual, traditionally, but there has been such an overflow of "Leftist" concepts spilling into liberalism, that many people call themselves Liberal, when they are in fact not traditionally liberal but are more Leftist or informed by Marxist concepts. These are often referred to now as "Progressives." It's all very muddled.

I don't know if it's that way in Australia.

Here in the US it gets even more complicated when the major parties are factored in.
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:30 am

Yeah, in Oz we don't really have a significant right-libertarian movement. So most people on the right are traditional conservatives. We do have some actual classical liberals here, but they really are a small part of the political landscape.
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Post by JimC » Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:42 am

rEvolutionist wrote:Yeah, in Oz we don't really have a significant right-libertarian movement. So most people on the right are traditional conservatives. We do have some actual classical liberals here, but they really are a small part of the political landscape.
We do, of course, have a coterie of sensible, rational centrists... :smug:
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:44 am

:lol:

Well, yes. But the real problem with centrism is that the centre has been gradually moving to the right for the last 35 years. So you are now more right than former conservative party leaders and prime ministers. How does that make you feel? :coffee:
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Post by JimC » Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:45 am

rEvolutionist wrote::lol:

Well, yes. But the real problem with centrism is that the centre has been gradually moving to the right for the last 35 years. So you are now more right than former conservative party leaders and prime ministers. How does that make you feel? :coffee:
Wherever I am on the political spectrum is the true centre... :tea:
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JimC wrote:We do, of course, have a coterie of sensible, rational centrists... :smug:
One problem with centrists, here in Australia and anywhere else, is that when push comes to shove they almost invariably side with the right, considering that to be the "safer" option. Sort of brings out the true colours in them.
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Post by DaveDodo007 » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:41 am

JimC wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:Yeah, in Oz we don't really have a significant right-libertarian movement. So most people on the right are traditional conservatives. We do have some actual classical liberals here, but they really are a small part of the political landscape.
We do, of course, have a coterie of sensible, rational centrists... :smug:
Makes sense.

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Post by rainbow » Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:09 am

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rEvolutionist wrote:You don't seem to have followed correctly what is happening. The conservatives are calling for censorship, not free speech.
I don't understand Australians. :nono:
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Post by DaveDodo007 » Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:22 pm

It does shock me how lefty liberals SJWs and feminists give the obvious misogyny of Islam a free pass whilst moaning about manspreading, the word 'bossy' and complain about Patriarchy, rape culture and privilege everywhere except where it really happens. It is either cowardice (it is cowardice) whilst trying to invent microaggressions in the West. Nothing proves that lefty liberals, SJWs and feminists are full of shit than this. If you don't agree with me then show me a valid reason that this isn't addressed? If you really care about women's rights then fucking prove it and tackle Islam. I can show you were women don't have equal rights in a Islamic secular state like Turkey, show me were women don't have equal rights in a Western country or fuck you, lying cunts.
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Post by JimC » Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:14 am

DaveDodo007 wrote:It does shock me how lefty liberals SJWs and feminists give the obvious misogyny of Islam a free pass whilst moaning about manspreading, the word 'bossy' and complain about Patriarchy, rape culture and privilege everywhere except where it really happens. It is either cowardice (it is cowardice) whilst trying to invent microaggressions in the West. Nothing proves that lefty liberals, SJWs and feminists are full of shit than this. If you don't agree with me then show me a valid reason that this isn't addressed? If you really care about women's rights then fucking prove it and tackle Islam. I can show you were women don't have equal rights in a Islamic secular state like Turkey, show me were women don't have equal rights in a Western country or fuck you, lying cunts.
I think you have gone over the top, but there is some truth in what you say. Left liberals and feminists in general should indeed be giving Islam a bigger serve than they do at the moment.
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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Jul 04, 2015 2:25 am

Yeah, I agree with this. I piss my hippy/feminist/activist friends off no ends by slagging off at Islam and the hijab.
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Post by DaveDodo007 » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:29 am

JimC wrote:
DaveDodo007 wrote:It does shock me how lefty liberals SJWs and feminists give the obvious misogyny of Islam a free pass whilst moaning about manspreading, the word 'bossy' and complain about Patriarchy, rape culture and privilege everywhere except where it really happens. It is either cowardice (it is cowardice) whilst trying to invent microaggressions in the West. Nothing proves that lefty liberals, SJWs and feminists are full of shit than this. If you don't agree with me then show me a valid reason that this isn't addressed? If you really care about women's rights then fucking prove it and tackle Islam. I can show you were women don't have equal rights in a Islamic secular state like Turkey, show me were women don't have equal rights in a Western country or fuck you, lying cunts.
I think you have gone over the top, but there is some truth in what you say. Left liberals and feminists in general should indeed be giving Islam a bigger serve than they do at the moment.
Erm...Going over the top is expecting people to practice what they preach now?
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Post by Forty Two » Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:47 am

DaveDodo007 wrote:It does shock me how lefty liberals SJWs and feminists give the obvious misogyny of Islam a free pass whilst moaning about manspreading, the word 'bossy' and complain about Patriarchy, rape culture and privilege everywhere except where it really happens. It is either cowardice (it is cowardice) whilst trying to invent microaggressions in the West. Nothing proves that lefty liberals, SJWs and feminists are full of shit than this. If you don't agree with me then show me a valid reason that this isn't addressed? If you really care about women's rights then fucking prove it and tackle Islam. I can show you were women don't have equal rights in a Islamic secular state like Turkey, show me were women don't have equal rights in a Western country or fuck you, lying cunts.
I suspect it's because of the identity politics. Islam = marginalized; therefore, they are the ones who deserve help. Also, the outspoken Islamists tend to be anticapitalist, and so the outspoken extreme feminists are down with that. There is a strong Marxist bend to third wave feminism.
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