Well, you don't understand conservatism either.Scumple wrote:I don't understand Australians.rEvolutionist wrote:You don't seem to have followed correctly what is happening. The conservatives are calling for censorship, not free speech.

Well, you don't understand conservatism either.Scumple wrote:I don't understand Australians.rEvolutionist wrote:You don't seem to have followed correctly what is happening. The conservatives are calling for censorship, not free speech.
We do, of course, have a coterie of sensible, rational centrists...rEvolutionist wrote:Yeah, in Oz we don't really have a significant right-libertarian movement. So most people on the right are traditional conservatives. We do have some actual classical liberals here, but they really are a small part of the political landscape.
Wherever I am on the political spectrum is the true centre...rEvolutionist wrote:![]()
Well, yes. But the real problem with centrism is that the centre has been gradually moving to the right for the last 35 years. So you are now more right than former conservative party leaders and prime ministers. How does that make you feel?
One problem with centrists, here in Australia and anywhere else, is that when push comes to shove they almost invariably side with the right, considering that to be the "safer" option. Sort of brings out the true colours in them.JimC wrote:We do, of course, have a coterie of sensible, rational centrists...
Makes sense.JimC wrote:We do, of course, have a coterie of sensible, rational centrists...rEvolutionist wrote:Yeah, in Oz we don't really have a significant right-libertarian movement. So most people on the right are traditional conservatives. We do have some actual classical liberals here, but they really are a small part of the political landscape.
It's a sheep thing.Scumple wrote:I don't understand Australians.rEvolutionist wrote:You don't seem to have followed correctly what is happening. The conservatives are calling for censorship, not free speech.
I think you have gone over the top, but there is some truth in what you say. Left liberals and feminists in general should indeed be giving Islam a bigger serve than they do at the moment.DaveDodo007 wrote:It does shock me how lefty liberals SJWs and feminists give the obvious misogyny of Islam a free pass whilst moaning about manspreading, the word 'bossy' and complain about Patriarchy, rape culture and privilege everywhere except where it really happens. It is either cowardice (it is cowardice) whilst trying to invent microaggressions in the West. Nothing proves that lefty liberals, SJWs and feminists are full of shit than this. If you don't agree with me then show me a valid reason that this isn't addressed? If you really care about women's rights then fucking prove it and tackle Islam. I can show you were women don't have equal rights in a Islamic secular state like Turkey, show me were women don't have equal rights in a Western country or fuck you, lying cunts.
Erm...Going over the top is expecting people to practice what they preach now?JimC wrote:I think you have gone over the top, but there is some truth in what you say. Left liberals and feminists in general should indeed be giving Islam a bigger serve than they do at the moment.DaveDodo007 wrote:It does shock me how lefty liberals SJWs and feminists give the obvious misogyny of Islam a free pass whilst moaning about manspreading, the word 'bossy' and complain about Patriarchy, rape culture and privilege everywhere except where it really happens. It is either cowardice (it is cowardice) whilst trying to invent microaggressions in the West. Nothing proves that lefty liberals, SJWs and feminists are full of shit than this. If you don't agree with me then show me a valid reason that this isn't addressed? If you really care about women's rights then fucking prove it and tackle Islam. I can show you were women don't have equal rights in a Islamic secular state like Turkey, show me were women don't have equal rights in a Western country or fuck you, lying cunts.
I suspect it's because of the identity politics. Islam = marginalized; therefore, they are the ones who deserve help. Also, the outspoken Islamists tend to be anticapitalist, and so the outspoken extreme feminists are down with that. There is a strong Marxist bend to third wave feminism.DaveDodo007 wrote:It does shock me how lefty liberals SJWs and feminists give the obvious misogyny of Islam a free pass whilst moaning about manspreading, the word 'bossy' and complain about Patriarchy, rape culture and privilege everywhere except where it really happens. It is either cowardice (it is cowardice) whilst trying to invent microaggressions in the West. Nothing proves that lefty liberals, SJWs and feminists are full of shit than this. If you don't agree with me then show me a valid reason that this isn't addressed? If you really care about women's rights then fucking prove it and tackle Islam. I can show you were women don't have equal rights in a Islamic secular state like Turkey, show me were women don't have equal rights in a Western country or fuck you, lying cunts.
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