Why do atheists trust science?

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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by jd » Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:49 am

The last 300 (approx) years of scientific research can be viewed as a giant "meta-experiment" into the effectiveness of the scientific method, and it has been wildly successful. Every year that naturalistic science adds to our knowledge and success makes the practice of science itself yet more reliable, approaching (but never reaching, since all knowledge is provisional) 100%.

Because "science works, bitches" everyone, both rational and dogmatic, are capable of heavier-than-air-flight, telephone communications over great distances, have labour-saving devices unimaginable to previous superstitious peoples, and some of them can choose to spout wilfully ignorant theistic gibberish on public message boards so that everyone can see the vacuity of their "argument".
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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by Chinaski » Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:55 am

thedistillers argument is not that science doesn't work- his argument is that without belief in God, trusting the scientific method is irrational, due to its inductive nature, hence atheists are irrational to trust the scientific method.
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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by MissingNo. » Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:57 am

Chinaski wrote:thedistillers argument is not that science doesn't work- his argument is that without belief in God, trusting the scientific method is irrational, due to its inductive nature, hence atheists are irrational to trust the scientific method.
Maybe thedistillers should make an effort to learn what irrational means, then.

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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by JimC » Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:02 am

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Chinaski wrote:thedistillers argument is not that science doesn't work- his argument is that without belief in God, trusting the scientific method is irrational, due to its inductive nature, hence atheists are irrational to trust the scientific method.
Maybe thedistillers should make an effort to learn what irrational means, then.
Before he can manage that, he has to make the leap from imaginary to real...

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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by Chinaski » Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:03 am

heyzeus wrote:
Chinaski wrote:thedistillers argument is not that science doesn't work- his argument is that without belief in God, trusting the scientific method is irrational, due to its inductive nature, hence atheists are irrational to trust the scientific method.
Maybe thedistillers should make an effort to learn what irrational means, then.
Actually, if his premise- that the scientific method makes no sense without the existence of a divine being- were correct, he'd be right. Problem is, thedistillers has no idea what the epistemic subtleties of his argument are.
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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by MissingNo. » Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:13 am

But it isn't.

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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by Valden » Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:55 am

Clinton Huxley wrote:I read the first page of this thread and the last page. I didn't read the inbetweeny pages but I use the power of science to predict that thedistillers "argument" did not move on one iota.

Hail Science!
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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by Feck » Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:58 am

But without God there could be no science because created everything and he made your brain . :leave:
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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by Elessarina » Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:03 am

thedistillers wrote:I'm assuming that the atheist wants to be rational. That is to say, he wants to have a rational reason to believe what he believes.

But what rational reason does the atheist have to assume that the future will be like the past? None. So the atheist is irrational to assume that the laws of physics will still be valid tomorrow.
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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by Clinton Huxley » Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:16 am

thedistillers wrote: If there is no God, then the universe is not controlled by a powerful, external force.
There you see the theistic mindset in a nutshell - unless Sky Cop is watching, everything will go wrong.....No rationale is offered for this assumption, of course, it "just is". I think this terribly revealing sentence speaks more for the shify morals of the theist than it does for the machinations of the universe
thedistillers wrote: So there are a lot of consequences if atheism is true. One of them is that we have no reason to trust science.
When the next solar eclipse fails to occur precisely on time, you might have an argument.
thedistillers wrote: Only the theist can assume that the universe will continue to behave the same way it has so far.
Nonsense. The theist absolutely cannot assume that the universe will continue to behave in a predictable way, for the theist must factor in that God may intervene at any moment.
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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:31 am

MrFungus420 wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
thedistillers wrote:
virphen wrote:
thedistillers wrote: There is no reason to assume that if atheism is true.
This might be a hard concept to grasp for you, but atheism is just a lack of belief in the existence of gods. It makes no positive claims, scientific or otherwise.
If there is no God, then the universe is not controlled by a powerful, external force. So there are a lot of consequences if atheism is true. One of them is that we have no reason to trust science. Only the theist can assume that the universe will continue to behave the same way it has so far.
Your B does follow from your A. That has a fancy name, which I've never bothered to remember.
Assuming that you meant, "Your B does not follow from your A", its a Non sequitur.
I keep forgetting to be negative.

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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:32 am

Elessarina wrote:
thedistillers wrote:I'm assuming that the atheist wants to be rational. That is to say, he wants to have a rational reason to believe what he believes.

But what rational reason does the atheist have to assume that the future will be like the past? None. So the atheist is irrational to assume that the laws of physics will still be valid tomorrow.
1+1 =2
1+1=2 yesterday
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1+1=2 tomorrow

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Wrong, bucko! It was water yesterday, and WINE today? Doncha read yer bibble? :nono:
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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by Feck » Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:36 am

@ Gawdzilla: Brain damage can cause theism ...if it wasn't true it wouldn't be so :funny:
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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by hackenslash » Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:44 am

Clinton Huxley wrote:Standing on the shoulders of pygmies whilst wearing Bible-blinkers shortens one's horizon markedly.
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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by MrFungus420 » Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:56 pm

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