Scientific Proof Of God

[Scot Dutchy]

Her taste was not great.

[Seabass]

Well, now I'm in the mood for some Duran Duran!

[superuniverse]

now let's return to lighter topics and the QUESTION...

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[Brian Peacock]

Which of course is: does it matter if a person subscribes and adheres to any of a plethora of so-called true faiths or if they try and lead a good life, regardless of faith?

[Rum]

Which of course is: does it matter if a person subscribes and adheres to any of a plethora of so-called true faiths or if they try and lead a good life, regardless of faith?

That's a good question. I would pose an alternative one - well perhaps an extension of the idea you have in mind, which is - how did religion manage to hijack the idea that morality is part of its domain, when clearly it is a basic human attribute and a function of social beings and the way they 'rub along'?

[Brian Peacock]

That's a good question too The corollary being 'what is a good (moral) life' exactly?

For the religionist being good is a function of religious adherence, but we all know that "I am only following orders" is no guarantee of moral rectitude, no matter how much the devout would have us believe otherwise.

[JimC]

To me, the key was understanding that the nature and complexity of the universe, living things in particular, were once thought to logically demand a creator god. Physics (cosmology in particular) and natural selection removed that logical necessity. Game over.

[Rum]

(Edit: response to Mr Peacock above)

Well that is an excellent question too if I may say so. I would suggest that a 'moral life' is one that on balance contains more kindness and compassion than other negative behaviours concerning one's fellow humans. I'm not sure it is really all that complicated. It is clear however that even with good intentions people can often do bad or 'immoral' things, especially as you say when 'following orders'. Oddly enough it often seems to be people of 'religious adherence' who seem to fall into that group.

Night night.

[Svartalf]

Which of course is: does it matter if a person subscribes and adheres to any of a plethora of so-called true faiths or if they try and lead a good life, regardless of faith?

it doesn't, Pascal's wager is a bunch of poppycock since his adhering to a faith is a) rooted in fear and hypocrisy and b) there's no way for a living, sane human to truly know which faith is the right one.

[superuniverse]

Which of course is: does it matter if a person subscribes and adheres to any of a plethora of so-called true faiths or if they try and lead a good life, regardless of faith?

Well not that light...

You got part of the QUESTION correct, but not in the way you suppose...



what does Marcuse say is an inevitable cause and consequence of ALL revolutions?

[pErvinalia]

Weed?

[Brian Peacock]

Which of course is: does it matter if a person subscribes and adheres to any of a plethora of so-called true faiths or if they try and lead a good life, regardless of faith?

Well not that light...

You got part of the QUESTION correct, but not in the way you suppose...

Type it out so we all get it.

[rainbow]

That was Duran Duran.

[Hermit]

Which of course is: does it matter if a person subscribes and adheres to any of a plethora of so-called true faiths or if they try and lead a good life, regardless of faith?

Well not that light...

You got part of the QUESTION correct, but not in the way you suppose...

Type it out so we all get it.

Dennis doesn't know. That's why he keeps asking us.

As a matter of fact, Herbert Marcuse got nothing either. That's how he concludes his One Dimensional Man anyhow:

the struggle for the solution has outgrown the traditional forms. The totalitarian tendencies of the one-dimensional society render the traditional ways and means of protest ineffective--perhaps even dangerous because they preserve the illusion of popular sovereignty. This illusion contains some truth: "the people," previously the ferment of social change, have "moved up" to become the ferment of social cohesion. Here rather than in the redistribution of wealth and equalization of classes is the new stratification characteristic of advanced industrial society.

However, underneath the conservative popular base is I the substratum of the outcasts and outsiders, the exploited and persecuted of other races and other colors, the unemployed and the unemployable. They exist outside the democratic process; their life is the most immediate and the most real need for ending intolerable conditions and institutions. Thus their opposition is revolutionary even if their consciousness is not. Their opposition hits the system from without and is therefore not deflected by the system; it is an elementary force which violates the rules of the game and, in doing so, reveals it as a rigged game. When they get together and go out into the streets, without arms, without protection, in order to ask for the most primitive civil rights, they know that they face dogs, stones, and bombs, jail, concentration camps, even death. Their force is behind every political demonstration for the victims of law and order. The fact that they start refusing to play the game may be the fact which marks the beginning of the end of a period.

Nothing indicates that it will be a good end. The economic and technical capabilities of the established societies are sufficiently vast to allow for adjustments and concessions to the underdog, and their armed forces sufficiently trained and equipped to take care of emergency situations. However, the spectre is there again, inside and outside the frontiers of the advanced societies. The facile historical parallel with the barbarians threatening the empire of civilization prejudges the issue; the second period of barbarism may well be the continued empire of civilization itself. But the chance is that, in this period, the historical extremes may meet again: the most advanced consciousness of humanity, and its most exploited force. It is nothing but a chance. The critical theory of society possesses no concepts which could bridge the gap between the present and its future; holding no promise and showing no success, it remains negative. Thus it wants to remain loyal to those who, without hope, have given and give their life to the Great Refusal.

[Svartalf]

Weed?

at that degree, I'd say it's taking PCP and LSD at the same time, and forgetting about doing it with friends around in a safe place.