Do you hate Islam ?

[Arse]

Labour and Tories also cause division among people, and UK and US had a major confilct with Iraq for no valid reasons.

So your defense of your religion is that it is no worse than secular politics? That is a really crap defense. What did you bother taking the shahada for if that's the way you see things - you might as well have just joined the Labour Party.

[Tigger]

Labour and Tories also cause division among people, and UK and US had a major confilct with Iraq for no valid reasons.

So your defense of your religion is that it is no worse than secular politics? That is a really crap defense. What did you bother taking the shahada for if that's the way you see things - you might as well have just joined the Labour Party.

Yep, that's full of burkas too.

[Godless Libertarian]

Give you reply and I will come back in a few days to check it all.

tick tock

[Tigger]

Give you reply and I will come back in a few days to check it all.

tick tock

He's probably off doing something important. Like reading about how to oppress women.

Actually, I DO hate Islam.

[mandy]

Godless Libertarian:
tick tock

here i am as promised.
muslims dont break promises coz Allah says He hates promise breakers.

me replies in ilatics....

Animavore:
The Quran endorses the killing of non-believers, Jews and Christians simply because they are non-believers, Jews and Christians. That's a big difference.

thats is simply not true. please there is no need to make things up.

AshtonBlack:
I don't hate people. I hate ideas, like religion, genoside etc etc.

oh i get it. cheers. you are same as many muslims who also hate ideas like pornography and democracy, invasions of iraq etc etc.

ScienceRob:
I don't hate Muslims or even Islam.

Tigger:
Well put, sir.

Tigger:
Actually, I DO hate Islam.

make up your mind. maybe its insecurity mate?

Pluto2:
I don't have Islam or Muslims or any other religion/religious people. Why should I hate people I don't know? In high school I had some friends who were exchange students from the Middle East, and they were practicing Muslims. We got a long really well and had a lot of fun together.
Why do you assume we would hate Muslims?

please take a look at the evidence on this thread. just read the posts. most people do hate islam and muslims. media has done a pretty good job at brainwashing and created all this hatred. its not islam's loss.
Irrational hatred only destroys the stupid hater.

Xamonas Chegwé:
I don't submit to my government. I tolerate them most of the time.
I obey their laws (mostly) because I don't want to end up in jail but I don't submit to them.

get your story straight mate, you're contradicting yourself.
you said you dont submit to no one. then you said you obey the government.
like it or not, thats submission mate.
my obedience to Allah is also submission to him.
at least i got my story straight. no offence.

leo-rcc:
And inane questions. Man I hate inane questions.

you mean the ones you can't answer?
no need to hate tough questions. just say i dont know. its that simple.

Kalira9:
The great thing about being an Atheist is that I get to decide what is morally acceptable.

do you decide morals only for yourself, or do you impose your morals on others?
if yes, then muslims can do the same thing.

I don't give two shits if, say, female genital mutilation is a cultural norm in a different society. It is still a vile, cruel, unnecessary, and reprehensible act and those who advocate such violence against women are morally inferior.

but they too dont give a crap about your made up morals.

Chinaski:
the claim that "America", as a single, cultural concept is imposing anything on the Muslim world is ridiculous.

but US does do that. dont you listen to news. they just call it "reform".
America does pressures countries to change their laws, and adopt certain practises against the will of the local people.

Americans aren't emigrating to Muslim countries to use superior social systems and academic structures for their benefit while trying to subvert their host's society.

but they are boming muslim civilians, and establising military bases in their countries.
so you tell me which is worse - civilians migration, or military bases?

democracy is in fact objectively preferable to Islam-derived laws and social standards, like shariah.

but to millions of other peoplpe islam is preferable.
do you wish to stop the public from chosing? thats would be highly un-democratic.

orpheus:
mandelson, you yourself said in your OP: ***Remember, the standard you apply to judge muslims and their beliefs and society, you should first apply the same standard to our western society and to ourselves first.***

yes i did. so what?
whats your point?

FBM:
Stoning a 17-yr-old girl to death for whatever reason, whatever religion, is just beneath barbarity.

is frying a brain of 18 years old in the USA any better?
if i had joined up to US prison service, i would have been doing exactly that.

I won't hate them, though, because I refuse to give them that much power over me. I despise the behavior and would risk my life to save girls in that situation, but hate? Nope. Apathy for them and their insane, hate-filled, barbaric religion.

look mate, you are contradctioning yourself. think before you answer.
dont say black and then white and then turn around and say that you did not say black. get your story straight first and then reply to my questions.

MANDY. WATCH THIS VERY CAREFULLY.

no thanks fmb. i want your views.
if you dont want to answer me question, then thats fine.


Godless Libertarian:
Yeah I hate Islam. And yes I also hate anyone who glorifies a child rapist, in other words, all muslims.

you would have to tell us good reasons if marriage where all parents agree can ever be called rape in any country of the world.

CookieJon:
you have chosen to belong to a club who has some rather nasty things to say about me as a homosexual man

do you ever say nasty things about anyone else? everybody says these kind of things. should we hate them all?

could you please give me one good reason why I shouldn't treat you as my enemy, and hate you with every fibre of my being??

have you ever thought your gay desires may be against nature created by God, and that devil misled you?
i think bible also condemns homosexuality. do you hate christians as well and jews and hindu? nearly all religions say gayism is wrong, and men should marry women; and its not right for men to sleep with men. they all say its so wrong.

heyjude:
I feel pretty disappointed at the fact that humans evolved these lovely big brains capable of rational thought and the contemplation of life, the universe and everything... and a bunch of you use them to believe .... this.

you want everyone to think and believe like you? thats not very open minded is it.
you just want everyone to be like robots. think about that one, mate.

AshtonBlack:
To muslims people, "We respect your humanity too much to respect your beliefs."

muslims love God and truth too much to give a damn about what enemies say.

Elessarina:
How does France dictate women's dress?

did not see the news. it banned certain items of girl's clothing. wake up mate. france is an oppressive nation.

Ciazaera:
Organise any religion and it fails. Two people= argument and schism. And that only leads to arguments.

you say the same thing about banking fianancial crisis, climate change scientists, and so many other things etc etc.
why you only picking out of religion. its your prejuidice mate.

Charlou:
I don't feel hate or apathy, just deep sorrow for such a culture and all who suffer in it.

people suffer everywhere, in the west women get
less pay then men for doing the same jobs. thats slavery.

ok...

thank you everyone for your replies.
i will log on a few days later to read your responses.

cheers.

[leo-rcc]

Look up the word "inane".

[Godless Libertarian]

Godless Libertarian:
Yeah I hate Islam. And yes I also hate anyone who glorifies a child rapist, in other words, all muslims.

you would have to tell us good reasons if marriage where all parents agree can ever be called rape in any country of the world.

Okay, new law: As long as all parents agree, it's perfectly fine to set a toddler on fire, and it's no longer called murder.

Congratulations. You've just tried to justify screwing a 9 year-old.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I see thinking is still out of fashion in Islam.

[Ayaan]

So, mandelson, your argument is that because non-muslims aren't perfect, that justifies anything and everything done in the name of islam? Hardly a sound platform for self-righteousness.

[Tigger]

I don't hate Muslims or even Islam. I am entirely apathetic towards it. I find after listening to many debates, lectures and reading a multitude of books that it doesn't interest me anymore. All arguments from a religion will start to revert to philosophical arguments as the empirical arguments are easily defeated. Once you get there the argument starts to develop into the argument of the good of religiosity. Frankly, religion has nothing to offer me and no argument presented by Islam is sufficient for me to take it seriously. As such I am entirely apathetic towards religion that doesn't stop the progress of science or attempt to impact the legislation of law or cause harm to people.

Unfortunately most religions don't fall under this criteria.

Well put, sir.

Actually, I DO hate Islam.

make up your mind. maybe its insecurity mate?

I'll address this little bit of your global reply, putting back in the paragraph you had me referring to and removing your quote mine. BTW, efficient quote mining is a skill which, as a Muslim you will find useful as you sift out the more insidious rules that your god promulgates in your vile tome in order to extract humanitarian behaviour from it. However, I digress. I merely meant that I appreciate the words that ScienceRob used and his sentiments; I think it was well worded. However, it doesn’t reflect my opinion on your choice of barbaric, primitive, fairytale whose evil condescending rules you now choose to live by.
Got that, mate?

[Kalira9]

do you decide morals only for yourself, or do you impose your morals on others?
if yes, then muslims can do the same thing.

Let me backtrack a bit and tell you exactly where I get my sense of morality from, or how I go about judging what is moral or immoral.

Basically, I believe that anyone should be free to do what they want, as long as what they are doing does not negatively impact the life or well-being another person. There are many things in this world that I personally would never even consider doing, like having unprotected group sex with a bunch of strangers, for example. I consider such acts to be below the personal standards that I have set for myself, but I do not view such things as being immoral, so long as everybody involved are consenting adults.

The only instance when I push my morality on someone is if somebody else is being negatively affected by the actions of that person.

but they too give a crap about your made up morals.

First of all, homo sapiens' rudimentary concept of morality is not just "made up". The desire to be altruistic is inherent in almost all human beings (I would make an exception for those who are clinical sociopaths), and is rooted in our evolutionary history. One of the reasons we got where we are today is because we are naturally empathetic towards our own kind. Being social and helping the other members of your group to survive is greatly beneficial to the group as a whole.

Now, let me tell you exactly why my secular morality is superior to religious morality: Religious concepts of morality are dictated by an authority figure, whereas secular morality is developed by critically thinking about a given scenario in order to determine whether it is right or wrong. To a religious person, something is wrong ONLY because "my deity SAYS it's wrong", whereas to a secular-minded Atheist, something is wrong when it has been critically examined and then determined to be wrong.

Allowing a holy book to decide your morality opens you up to condoning or committing barbaric atrocities against your fellow man. Throughout the course of human history, not a single act of violence has ever been committed in the name of Atheism. But the number of instances where people have been slaughtered, burned, raped, tortured, and flayed alive in the name of religious concepts of "morality" are too innumerable to fathom.

[Animavore]

Animavore:
The Quran endorses the killing of non-believers, Jews and Christians simply because they are non-believers, Jews and Christians. That's a big difference.

thats is simply not true. please there is no need to make things up.

Who's making things up?

Fight against Christians and Jews "until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low." 9:29
Those with Muhammad are ruthless toward disbelievers and merciful toward themselves. 48:29
Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33
Don't let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the enemy of Allah. 8:59-60

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Xamonas Chegwé:

I don't submit to my government. I tolerate them most of the time.
I obey their laws (mostly) because I don't want to end up in jail but I don't submit to them.

get your story straight mate, you're contradicting yourself.
you said you dont submit to no one. then you said you obey the government.
like it or not, thats submission mate.
my obedience to Allah is also submission to him.
at least i got my story straight. no offence.

Wrong.

I criticise my government when I disagree with what it says and does. Do you do criticise your allah? Do you disagree with your allah on any topic? Are you even prepared to publicly disagree with the mullahs and imams that interpret your allah?

If my government asks me to do something that I disagree with enough, I am prepared to refuse. Are you prepared to refuse your allah? Are you even prepared to refuse the mullahs and imams that interpret your allah?

The laws enacted by my government are continually revised and updated to apply to changing circumstances. They are also subject to a set of checks and balances via the courts and, most importantly, via the electoral process. By contrast, your allah's laws are the rantings of a long-dead, illiterate, paedophile peasant. They apply to a time many centuries ago may not be updated.

My country, due in large part to its system of government, is one of the most technologically advanced and socially liberal in the world. By contrast, most muslim countries are repressive, peasant economies administered by despotic autocrats and/or dictatorial, religious councils.

While you bow your head and wave your arse in the air in submission to a myth, I tolerate my government, content in the fact that they will be out at the next election if they ever get the idea that they are above the rest of us. I obey their laws but am vociferous against those that I object to and if they ever enact a law that I must bow my head and wave my arse in the air several times a day, I will tell them to go and fuck themselves. Is this submission? I think not!

[orpheus]

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orpheus:
mandelson, you yourself said in your OP: ***Remember, the standard you apply to judge muslims and their beliefs and society, you should first apply the same standard to our western society and to ourselves first.***

yes i did. so what?
whats your point?

My point is that you're being inconsistent. Because later on, you wrote:

but you cant judge rules of other society with rules of your own.

That's what I was pointing out. And since I placed both your quotes in the same post, and you only responded to one - thus ignoring the inconsistency - I might assume you were willfully being evasive. But instead I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it was simply an oversight on your part.

Anyway, care to explain your inconsistency?

[Feck]

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orpheus:
mandelson, you yourself said in your OP: ***Remember, the standard you apply to judge muslims and their beliefs and society, you should first apply the same standard to our western society and to ourselves first.***

yes i did. so what?
whats your point?

My point is that you're being inconsistent. Because later on, you wrote:

but you cant judge rules of other society with rules of your own.

That's what I was pointing out. And since I placed both your quotes in the same post, and you only responded to one - thus ignoring the inconsistency - I might assume you were willfully being evasive. But instead I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it was simply an oversight on your part.

Anyway, care to explain your inconsistency?

And yes you can judge another society by the rules of our own ! BUT living in one you choose to despise while praising another is hypocrisy .. If the west is evil fuck off out of it !
If you took all the hatred and killing out of your book it might make a good read, all 12 pages left . Firstly there is NO gOD ! Secondly if there was a loving god the actions of religions esp yours would sicken him .