Atheist or anti-theist
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Atheist or anti-theist
Been watching Chris Hitchens the is evening on Youtube and he defines himself clearly as an 'anti-theist'. He justifies and explains it too.
How about you..and why?
How about you..and why?
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Re: Atheist or anti-theist
I haven't watched the clip in question (link please
), but my answer is this: I am an atheist - this just describes my state of disbelief. But being an anti-theist implies active dislike of religion and its consequences. You can't be the second without being the first, but there a many degrees of being an anti-theist.

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Re: Atheist or anti-theist
Considering the evil that theism has inspired--more than you can imagine, if you haven't been down the ratholes of the history of Christianity (the Crusades and the Inquisition are peanuts)--you would have to be insane not to be anti-theist.
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We teach her not to see too much. We teach her not to feel."
But no one cared and no one dared to speak to her of love.
Her eyes are always hooded. Her claws are sharp as steel.
We teach her not to see too much. We teach her not to feel."
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I was an atheist most of my life. Now I'm a militant anti-theist.
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It implies an absolutism that I'm not too comfortable with though. Some people are always going to believe crazy shit at least some of the time, be it religion or some other class of woo entirely. My position is that whatever nonsense people want to buy into, they do it as consenting adults and leave everyone else out of it. So I'm less anti-theist and more anti-organised religion.Red Katie wrote:Considering the evil that theism has inspired--more than you can imagine, if you haven't been down the ratholes of the history of Christianity (the Crusades and the Inquisition are peanuts)--you would have to be insane not to be anti-theist.
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Re: Atheist or anti-theist
I would like like to say I was an atheist, But the more theists I meet the more ANTI-theist I become.




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Re: Atheist or anti-theist
You ask for a link? Gonna suggest you look up Youtube and search any Hitchens clip there.klr wrote:I haven't watched the clip in question (link please), but my answer is this: I am an atheist - this just describes my state of disbelief. But being an anti-theist implies active dislike of religion and its consequences. You can't be the second without being the first, but there a many degrees of being an anti-theist.
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Oh, I'm ready to do that at a moment's notice, but I thought you might have a particular clip in mind ...Rum wrote:You ask for a link? Gonna suggest you look up Youtube and search any Hitchens clip there.klr wrote:I haven't watched the clip in question (link please), but my answer is this: I am an atheist - this just describes my state of disbelief. But being an anti-theist implies active dislike of religion and its consequences. You can't be the second without being the first, but there a many degrees of being an anti-theist.

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It's not up to us to choose which laws we want to obey. If it were, I'd kill everyone who looked at me cock-eyed! - Rex Banner
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It's not up to us to choose which laws we want to obey. If it were, I'd kill everyone who looked at me cock-eyed! - Rex Banner
The Bluebird of Happiness long absent from his life, Ned is visited by the Chicken of Depression. - Gary Larson



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Re: Atheist or anti-theist
+1klr wrote:It implies an absolutism that I'm not too comfortable with though. Some people are always going to believe crazy shit at least some of the time, be it religion or some other class of woo entirely. My position is that whatever nonsense people want to buy into, they do it as consenting adults and leave everyone else out of it. So I'm less anti-theist and more anti-organised religion.Red Katie wrote:Considering the evil that theism has inspired--more than you can imagine, if you haven't been down the ratholes of the history of Christianity (the Crusades and the Inquisition are peanuts)--you would have to be insane not to be anti-theist.
I consider myself to be an atheist.
And rather than be an anti-theist I consider myself to be more of an atheist activist. I don't care to rally against religion, I'd rather rally for atheism.
Atheists have always argued that this world is all that we have, and that our duty is to one another to make the very most and best of it. ~Christopher Hitchens~
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Re: Atheist or anti-theist
I'm atheist and anti some theists. The ones that keep it to themselves and never try to push it on me, I can happily ignore. I only get seriously argumentative with those that start proselytising.
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You talk to God, you're religious. God talks to you, you're psychotic.
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Who needs a meaning anyway, I'd settle anyday for a very fine view.
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This is the wrong forum for bluffing

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Yes, yes. But first I need to show you this venomous fish!
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I think we should do whatever Pawiz wants.
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Re: Atheist or anti-theist
Atheist. I see nothing appealing in the bandwagon on offer. As for the brutality, yep, I acknowledge it's presence in our history but see it as our history not 'theirs', human beings have done awful things to each other and I think you'd have to be insane to imagine that removing religion will remove our callous flaws. I think David Attenborough put it rather well in his infamous quote while watching chimps hunt.
Ooops wrong clip - but yeah, it also shows the point.
Ooops wrong clip - but yeah, it also shows the point.
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Re: Atheist or anti-theist
I used to be strongly anti-abrahamic-god (=anti theist). Currently I would say that I don't care what people believe or think, just what they do. And that the reason why they do harm it is a fictional entity isn't worse than others.
If I had to define myself I would like it to be humanist, not atheist. I feel beyond reason a duty to mankind and to this world, and I also feel the need to try to make my presence in the world a positive one. I believe that there is good and bad, defined in terms of individual and global harm, and I can't ignore that belief. It is an important element of my actions.
Those are more in the humanism stance than the pure atheist.
If I had to define myself I would like it to be humanist, not atheist. I feel beyond reason a duty to mankind and to this world, and I also feel the need to try to make my presence in the world a positive one. I believe that there is good and bad, defined in terms of individual and global harm, and I can't ignore that belief. It is an important element of my actions.
Those are more in the humanism stance than the pure atheist.
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