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Evil children

Post by mistermack » Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:49 pm

Lawsuit alleges: 7-year-old quizzed on religion, ordered to sit alone at lunch for telling classmates he didn’t believe in God


How backwards is the US ?

I doubt if this would have happened 100 years ago in the UK.
It's more like Afghanistan, really.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/vol ... ve-in-god/
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Re: Evil children

Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:40 pm

Can open the link but surely he did more than just say he didn't believe in God?
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Re: Evil children

Post by Forty Two » Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:46 pm

mistermack wrote:
Lawsuit alleges: 7-year-old quizzed on religion, ordered to sit alone at lunch for telling classmates he didn’t believe in God


How backwards is the US ?

I doubt if this would have happened 100 years ago in the UK.
It's more like Afghanistan, really.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/vol ... ve-in-god/
Backwards? Not very. That's an aberration.

I might point to your official religion, and the fact that your head of State is also the head of the Church of England, as a rather backwards concept, one which was rejected by the United States in the 1700s. Would the US be even more backwards if we were to adopt the UK's official religion?

Section 70 of the 1998 Education Reform Act states that, “…each pupil in attendance at a community, foundation or voluntary school shall on each school day take part in an act of collective worship.” By law. Collective worship. In schools. By law. Parents have to specifically request excusal

So, you provided an example of a rogue teacher doing something illegal, which she and the school will be sued for, and they will either agree never to do it again and pay a settlement, or they will pay money damages in a court judgment and be ordered not to do it again.

In the UK, though, that student would have to attend a daily act of collective worship required by law.

In community schools the head teacher is responsible for collective worship provision, in consultation with the governors. The majority of acts of collective worship in any given school term should still be “wholly or mainly of a broadly Christian character” A “broadly Christian” act of worship must contain some elements which relate to the traditions of Christian belief and which accord a special status to Jesus Christ. (Circular 1/94, paragraph 63).

Perhaps many nations have aspects that need improvement, and singling one out for particular scorn is not really appropriate?
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Re: Evil children

Post by mistermack » Tue Aug 04, 2015 2:04 pm

You've just changed the subject, from attitudes to law.
Stick to the point, why don't you?
I was never compelled to attend the morning service at my school, even though it was a Church of England school.
And I didn't. I and others waited till they had finished, and walked in for the rest of the assembly.

I don't believe a teacher would do what this teacher did in the UK, unless it was a faith school.
Certainly not when I was at school, and that goes back more than fifty years.
They might have, at the Catholic primary school I went to first, but I doubt it.
I'm sure I mentioned many a time that I didn't believe in god before I left. Nothing was ever said.
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Re: Evil children

Post by laklak » Tue Aug 04, 2015 2:07 pm

From a statement released by the school board:
It is clear that it is not the province of a public school to advance or inhibit religious beliefs or practices. Under the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution, this remains the inviolate province of the individual and the church of his/her choice. The rights of any minority, no matter how small, must be protected.
Doesn't sound quite so medieval now, eh?
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Re: Evil children

Post by mistermack » Tue Aug 04, 2015 2:32 pm

laklak wrote: Doesn't sound quite so medieval now, eh?
What's meant to happen is quite laudable.

It's the reality that is backwards.

The US is pretty much the only western modern country that has this attitude to atheism.
If the kid was a jew or muslim, it wouldn't happen.
You can believe in a different god, that's not a problem. But no god, go and sit by yourself.

That's why a lot of atheists keep quiet about it over there.
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Re: Evil children

Post by cronus » Tue Aug 04, 2015 4:29 pm

Atheists don't exist in the UK. So the question doesn't arise. It is more like IKEA here. You get the parts and then assemble your own belief system according to your imagination. Mostly bits of the force, some guy sat on a cloud, elements of Harry Potter - cynical exploitation of karma and various contradictory religious symbols fat Buddha's, thin Christ's etc cos they appear cool sat on a shelf....
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