The Epstein List Revelations

[Sean Hayden]

17 is a baby.

[rasetsu]

I'd hit that.

[pErvinalia]

Too old for Svarty.

[Svartalf]

Definitely, the best birth control is when the female partner is too young to get pregnant.

[macdoc]

and that..... is insanely young

1939: Lina Medina becomes the youngest confirmed mother in recorded medical history, delivering a son at the age of 5. The Peruvian child delivered a 5-pound, 8-ounce boy via caesarean section; her small pelvis made it impossible for the baby to pass through the birth canal. In a detailed report of the case, Dr

[Brian Peacock]

Who's the daddy?

[Sean Hayden]

[macdoc]

as I was saying....
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ey-epstein

[Sean Hayden]

Poor kid.

[rasetsu]

as I was saying....
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ey-epstein

Uh huh. Have you been to fantasy island?

[Brian Peacock]

as I was saying....
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ey-epstein

Hmm. Is that what you were saying? Really? I thought you were saying that calling her a minor was ridiculous because she was actually a "vibrant, sexually mature 17 year old". Does that apply to her at 16, or 15? Is it that the victim of sexual violence is somehow responsible for their abuse - or only when they are a "vibrant, sexually mature 17 year old"? Does that apply to her at 16, or 15?

How does a prior incident of sexual abuse endorse or justify what you've already said about this particular person, either them as a child or an adult?

Again, by focusing entirely on the action, experience and/or character of the victim you're continuing to underplay the actions and intent of their abusers, the nature of the abuse, and/or the long-term consequences of that abuse.

[macdoc]

She's got you suckered in.
She'll play the victim forever and at 17 she was an adult participating ....she could have left anytime.

In her deposition, Giuffre said the summer she turned 17, she was lured away from a job as a spa attendant at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago club to become a “masseuse” for Epstein — a job that involved performing sexual acts.

after the money then and ongoing....

While at the massage school in Thailand in 2002, she met Robert Giuffre, an Australian martial arts trainer, and the two married quickly thereafter. She contacted Epstein and informed him that she would not be returning as planned.

Willing partipant free to leave at any time.

In September 2002, at age 19, Giuffre flew to Thailand and attended the International Training Massage School in Chiang Mai. She was provided with tickets to travel to Thailand by Maxwell and instructed to meet with a specific Thai girl to bring her back to the United States for Epstein.

Guiffre was engaged in full knowlege of the intent to traffick the Thai girl?? ....and she was 19???

She resisted speaking at length to the FBI until she was approached again about the matter in person, this time by the Australian Federal Police, six months after being contacted by phone.[39][40]

No wonder why she resisted....she had her own peccadilloes....how was she different from Maxwell??

In the same month, Carolyn Andriano, who as a 14-year-old was introduced by Giuffre to Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein and was a prosecution witness in the trial of Maxwell, claimed in an interview that then 17-year-old Giuffre told her in 2001 that she had slept with Prince Andrew. Andriano stated, "And she [Giuffre] said, 'I got to sleep with him'. She didn't seem upset about it. She thought it was pretty cool."[73] Andriano testified that she was recruited by Giuffre at 14 and trained to give sexual massages: "At 14 years old, I was big breasted and I definitely could pass for 21 when I was made up. I did my own make-up but Virginia gave me clothes. She gave me these really tight skimpy shorts with a spaghetti strap top with all my cleavage hanging out. She just said whatever you do, don't say your age. And I didn't even ask why. I went along with it."[74]

[Brian Peacock]

I notice that you didn't qualify your previous claim that a prior incident of sexual assault justified or endorsed your viewpoint.

Also, I don't think you understand the nature of grooming and/or abusive control, or if you do you're dismissing it because your intuitions inform you otherwise - hense the quadrupling down.