Russia invades Ukraine again?

[Hermit]

At the risk of this idea sounding like appeasement of Russia, perhaps Ukraine should accept the formal loss of those regions (and Crimea) as a fait accompli, given that from all accounts, a majority of the Russian speakers in those regions want ties with Russia as independent republics. The quid pro quo could be a formal treaty between Russia and Ukraine, recognising existing borders, a promise of no invasion and a withdrawal of Russian troops from the border areas.

Peas in our thyme.

or is it

Pees in our lime?

[aufbahrung]

Reckon they'll demolish or steal it a piece at a time. So slowly no one will notice until its all gone. It's the long game that's going on. Not a quick push and the kingdom is ours sort of thing.

[Hermit]

Reckon they'll demolish or steal it a piece at a time. So slowly no one will notice until its all gone. It's the long game that's going on. Not a quick push and the kingdom is ours sort of thing.

Even if it is recognised for what it is it is the ancient process of salami tactics inducing paralysis at work


again.

[Svartalf]

Putin has formally recognised the independence of the break away regions...

and made a Russian friend of mine on twitter cry. I don't know where she's from, but apparently, seeing the old home country go to shit is not good for her.

[Svartalf]

At the risk of this idea sounding like appeasement of Russia, perhaps Ukraine should accept the formal loss of those regions (and Crimea) as a fait accompli, given that from all accounts, a majority of the Russian speakers in those regions want ties with Russia as independent republics. The quid pro quo could be a formal treaty between Russia and Ukraine, recognising existing borders, a promise of no invasion and a withdrawal of Russian troops from the border areas.

Maybe they should, and likely they will, because, you know, Comrade Vladimir Vladimirovitch has all the cards, and he could invade them without breaking a sweat, not with the kind of defenses they have. but honestly, those provinces have been Ukrainian since before Nelson was a middy, and the high handed way put in is acting may be efficient in accomplishing things, but it will also foster resentment deep enough to turn to real hatred.

I'd not be surprised if Ukrainian authorities took up secret ways to contact and join NATO... and then the fan will be up and running and waiting for a good load of crap.

[Svartalf]

Time for the CIA to take Putin out.

At that rate, I wonder if he'll not be disposed of by the GRU, if the military authorities recognize the threat of a war that they might win, but don't want to support the costs.

[NineBerry]

Time for the CIA to take Putin out.

They can't. He has all that long tables.

[Tero]

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-securi ... raine.html

A group of Ukrainian information technology specialists has launched an interactive system to automatically monitor the movement and presence of Russian military formations in and around Ukraine’s state borders.
Calling itself Kordon [Border], the group said it so far has identified 38 separate locations of Russian military forces using Google’s Earth observation system.

[JimC]

At the risk of this idea sounding like appeasement of Russia, perhaps Ukraine should accept the formal loss of those regions (and Crimea) as a fait accompli, given that from all accounts, a majority of the Russian speakers in those regions want ties with Russia as independent republics. The quid pro quo could be a formal treaty between Russia and Ukraine, recognising existing borders, a promise of no invasion and a withdrawal of Russian troops from the border areas.

Maybe they should, and likely they will, because, you know, Comrade Vladimir Vladimirovitch has all the cards, and he could invade them without breaking a sweat, not with the kind of defenses they have. but honestly, those provinces have been Ukrainian since before Nelson was a middy, and the high handed way put in is acting may be efficient in accomplishing things, but it will also foster resentment deep enough to turn to real hatred.

I'd not be surprised if Ukrainian authorities took up secret ways to contact and join NATO... and then the fan will be up and running and waiting for a good load of crap.

I gather that the Ukrainian President has vowed that he will never recognise those regions as not belonging to Ukraine. I guess it was politically impossible in the current climate to do otherwise...

I suspect the next move will involve Russian forces pushing the borders of those regions further west - the leaders of those republics have complained that Ukraine is still hanging on to some of "their" territory. If Ukrainian forces provide substantial resistance, and Russian troops take casualties, then Putin has his pretext for a more general invasion...

[Tero]

Shelling of a power station in Eastern Ukraine. Just giving the link for the photo.
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2022/02 ... &auto=webp
(paywall for article)

other photos
https://www.dw.com/en/eastern-ukraine-y ... a-60874930

[Tero]

Trump admin was presented two "peace plans" for Ukraine. He was going to give it to Putin in his 2nd term.

[Svartalf]

At the risk of this idea sounding like appeasement of Russia, perhaps Ukraine should accept the formal loss of those regions (and Crimea) as a fait accompli, given that from all accounts, a majority of the Russian speakers in those regions want ties with Russia as independent republics. The quid pro quo could be a formal treaty between Russia and Ukraine, recognising existing borders, a promise of no invasion and a withdrawal of Russian troops from the border areas.

Maybe they should, and likely they will, because, you know, Comrade Vladimir Vladimirovitch has all the cards, and he could invade them without breaking a sweat, not with the kind of defenses they have. but honestly, those provinces have been Ukrainian since before Nelson was a middy, and the high handed way put in is acting may be efficient in accomplishing things, but it will also foster resentment deep enough to turn to real hatred.

I'd not be surprised if Ukrainian authorities took up secret ways to contact and join NATO... and then the fan will be up and running and waiting for a good load of crap.

I gather that the Ukrainian President has vowed that he will never recognise those regions as not belonging to Ukraine. I guess it was politically impossible in the current climate to do otherwise...

I suspect the next move will involve Russian forces pushing the borders of those regions further west - the leaders of those republics have complained that Ukraine is still hanging on to some of "their" territory. If Ukrainian forces provide substantial resistance, and Russian troops take casualties, then Putin has his pretext for a more general invasion...

And I guess we'll just drop our pants like we did with hitler, and let the ogre eat some... if only to postpone the start of WWIII

[Brian Peacock]

Boris imposed financial sanctions on three Russian oligarchs and five small banks. Residents of Londongrad, many of whom donate generously to the Tory party, appear unperturbed.

[Tero]

Where are they?

[laklak]

I'm sure we all remember Billy Bob Clinton talking Ukraine into giving up their nuclear weapons back in 1994. And the Declaration or Agreement or Memo Of Understanding or-whatever-but-certainly-not-a-binding-treaty-oh-no he signed when he agreed the Good And Mighty USA would protect them from foreign aggressors and guarantee their territorial integrity. We all remember that, right? The UK and Russia also signed it. It's like the Three Pigs signing a defense agreement with the Wolf Pack, but back then Vlad was just another unemployed KGB thug with delusions of grandeur. Shame we didn't elect Shillary. Can you imagine the delicious irony of watching her explain why she's not going to honor her husband's promises? That's real irony, completely unlike rain on your wedding day.

This should certainly be a wakey-wakey for any NATO members who actually expect the U.S.A to honor it's treaty obligations. More fools them. Caveat emptor, y'all.

Never trust a Democrat, eh? OK, or a Republican, but at least the Republicans aren't trying to disarm ME. Fat chance of that, assholes. Glad I bought another few thousand rounds, I'll need them when we Balkanize.