Palestine v Israel.

[Scot Dutchy]

The trouble is it is not about ownership or occupancy of land but purely about Netanyahu's ego and his position on the extreme right wing. He knows he can score anytime by attacking Hamas in Gaza. Everything will be reduced to rubble so the Palestinians can start all over again. So the cycle can continue.

[Brian Peacock]

I think the long and tragic history of the region disproves the claim that this is all down to Netanyahu.

[Scot Dutchy]

I think the long and tragic history of the region disproves the claim that this is all down to Netanyahu.

It is not all down to him but he doing is what many Israeli leaders have done in past when they feel power is slipping out their hands; play the Gaza card.

[Brian Peacock]

Yeah, the right-wing do like to throw their weight around - preferably to bully someone who can't bite back.

[Scot Dutchy]

Yeah, the right-wing do like to throw their weight around - preferably to bully someone who can't bite back.

It has been that way since the founding of the Israeli state. The Israeli government has never really controlled the religious right wing. They are a state within a state.

[Hermit]

Ownership backed up with nukes is 9 and half tenths of the law, you realise?

Of course. Ownership is determined by might rather than right. It is how land gets stolen.

[aufbahrung]

I think 'stealing' as a term is inflammatory and invites the worst sort of thieves called lawyers. A category of pen pusher thief the world would be better without in this era of endless cantors dust digital small print.

[Hermit]

I think

Congratulations, but everybody does, so that is not a particularly noteworthy achievement in itself.

That said, regardless of what you think about the issue, land can be stolen.

[aufbahrung]

Squatters rights then?

[aufbahrung]

What about Russia defends Palestine and America Israel. Then let America and Russia fight it out to determine who owns the land? Think that's the most logical way to resolve the issue.

[aufbahrung]

https://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/49908

Things getting blown up - choose a side, won't alter the outcome. Illusion of control you realise?

[Animavore]

Obviously as a person from a country with a history of colonial occupation there's only really one side I can support here.

[Svartalf]

Neo-nazis must get terribly confused. They detest Jews, which makes them natural allies of many fundamentalist Muslims, yet they are also profoundly Islamophobic...

Which shows just how silly they are. anybody with basic knowledge of Realpolitik could tell them to side with the weaker faction the better to turn on them once the more threatening one is out of the picture

[Svartalf]

I think the long and tragic history of the region disproves the claim that this is all down to Netanyahu.

It's been horrible for over 70 years, but he way bibi has been handling stuff has dried the powder rather than defused the bomb.

[JimC]

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/ ... 57sh8.html

London: Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Sunday (Monday AEST) there was no place for anti-Semitism in society and that British Jews should not have to endure “shameful racism”, after a video online appeared to show people shouting anti-Semitic abuse from a car in London.

Johnson was responding in part to the video, posted earlier on Sunday, showing a convoy of cars bearing Palestinian flags driving through a Jewish community in north London and broadcasting anti-Semitic messages from a megaphone.

Assuming for the moment that the report is essentially true, in that the shouts were anti-Jewish rather than anti-Israeli Government actions (and forgetting about Boris for the moment), it demonstrates the risks and complications of responses to Middle East violence. In the past, British Labour Party people have crossed the line between anti-Zionism and anti-semitism. Palestinian activists and their supporters need to watch the boundary between those two very different sentiments closely. It has echos of the frequent conflation of legitimate criticism of Islamic fundamentalism and racially driven attacks on Muslims in general.