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Re: Palestine v Israel.

Post by pErvinalia » Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:19 am

From the IDF twitter account. The last paragraph sums it up. They've labelled them terrorists because they don't like Al Jazeera reporting on their war crimes. These poor guys are as good as dead now.
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Really cynical, sinister, unevidenced move there. Those guys and their families have a target on their backs now.
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Re: Palestine v Israel.

Post by rainbow » Fri Oct 25, 2024 3:56 pm

Exposing war crimes is propaganda.
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Re: Palestine v Israel.

Post by Svartalf » Fri Oct 25, 2024 4:39 pm

So is hiding them or trying to pass them off as something acceptable
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Re: Palestine v Israel.

Post by rainbow » Fri Oct 25, 2024 6:35 pm

Svartalf wrote:
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So is hiding them or trying to pass them off as something acceptable
Yebbut the IDF are the most moral army.

You keep on forgetting that...
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Re: Palestine v Israel.

Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:00 pm

c.3000 Israeli citizens are brave enough to add their names to this letter.

Israeli citizens calling for true international pressure on Israel for an immediate ceasefire
We, Israeli citizens residing in Israel and abroad, call on the international community – the UN and its institutions, the United States, the European Union, the League of Arab States, and all states around the world – to intervene immediately and implement every possible sanction towards achieving an immediate ceasefire between Israel and its neighbors, for the future of both peoples in Israel/Palestine and the peoples of the region, and for their rights to security and life.

Many of us are veteran activists against the occupation, for peace and mutual existence in this land. We are motivated by our love for the land and its residents, and we are concerned for their future. We have been horrified by the war crimes committed by Hamas and other organizations on October 7th, and we are horrified by the countless war crimes that Israel is committing. Unfortunately, the majority of Israelis support the continuation of the war and massacres, and a change from within is not currently feasible. The state of Israel is on a suicidal path and sows destruction and devastation that increase day by day.

The government of Israel has abandoned its citizens who are hostages (and has killed some), it has neglected the residents of the south and north of Israel, and it has forsaken the fate and future of all of its citizens. Israel’s Palestinian citizens are persecuted and silenced by state authorities and by the wider public. It is our opinion that the repression, intimidation, and political persecution prevent many who share our views from joining this call.

Every day that goes by further distances any possible horizon for a regional agreement and reconciliation, a future where Jewish Israelis can live with security in this place. Achieving these will require lengthy processes, but the constant massacres and destruction must be stopped immediately!

The lack of true international pressure, the continuation of arms supplies to Israel , economic and security partnerships, and scientific and cultural collaborations, bring most Israelis to believe that Israel’s policies enjoy international support. The leaders of many countries make repeated statements about the horror they feel and verbally denounce Israel’s operations, but these condemnations are not backed by practical actions. We are replete with empty words and declarations.

Please, for our futures and the futures of all of the residents of Israel and the region, save us from ourselves, and use real pressure on Israel for an immediate ceasefire.
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Re: Palestine v Israel.

Post by rainbow » Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:52 am

Despite widespread international opposition, lawmakers voted overwhelming on Monday evening to approve two bills essentially barring the UN agency for Palestinian refugees and their descendants from operating in Israel, and severely curtailing its activities in Gaza and the West Bank.

During the opening plenum session of the Knesset’s winter legislative session, MKs voted 92 to 10 to approve a law barring UNRWA from operating in Israeli territory, and 87-9 in favor of another measure curtailing UNRWA’s activities in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank by banning state authorities from having any contact with the agency.

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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Oct 29, 2024 7:31 am

It's OK, a number of western countries have expressed their displeasure at the decision.
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Re: Palestine v Israel.

Post by rainbow » Tue Oct 29, 2024 7:16 pm

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It's OK, a number of western countries have expressed their displeasure at the decision.
It now becomes the responsibilty of the Israeli government.

I'm sure the Israeli taxpayers will not be happy to pay for the services that UNWRA were providing.
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Re: Palestine v Israel.

Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:43 pm

Targetting journalists and their families for execution, 'accidentally' blowing up aid and aid workers, banning Al Jazeera, destroying the health system and banning international medical specialist along with supplies, and blocking deliveries of humanitarian relief, Israel has effectively removed all independent eye-witnesses from the scene of their crimes - except for the civilians victims of their genocide.

I don't think Israel can come ever back from this. The regime has painted itself into the position of only going forward with more death and destruction. I fear 'victory' will do for Israel in the end.
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Re: Palestine v Israel.

Post by Svartalf » Wed Oct 30, 2024 12:26 am

Is this just me or is israeli politics something one could have seen Germany do between 1933 and 1945?
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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Oct 30, 2024 1:21 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:43 pm
Targetting journalists and their families for execution, 'accidentally' blowing up aid and aid workers, banning Al Jazeera, destroying the health system and banning international medical specialist along with supplies, and blocking deliveries of humanitarian relief, Israel has effectively removed all independent eye-witnesses from the scene of their crimes - except for the civilians victims of their genocide.

I don't think Israel can come ever back from this. The regime has painted itself into the position of only going forward with more death and destruction. I fear 'victory' will do for Israel in the end.
They'll continue on while ever the west ignores their crimes. It's the international rules based order after all.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:17 am

Indeed. The West, but particularly the US, are the co-authors of the Israeli regime's self-serving vengeance against those whose brutal, violent oppression a long line Israeli administrations have made a necessary feature of its national political and cultural identity.
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Post by Strontium Dog » Fri Nov 01, 2024 1:02 pm

Svartalf wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2024 12:26 am
Is this just me or is israeli politics something one could have seen Germany do between 1933 and 1945?

No, you're very much not the only person resorting to antisemitic canards.
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Post by Strontium Dog » Fri Nov 01, 2024 1:10 pm

UNRWA is Hamas. That's an indisputable fact. Al-Jazeera is Qatar, which is a sponsor of Hamas. That is an indisputable fact. The so-called journalists are terrrorists. Again, an indisputable fact.

A ceasefire comes when Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages, which is something they could have done at any time in the last 13 months. Ask them why they haven't.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Nov 01, 2024 6:24 pm

Feel better now?
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