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Re: All Things Trump: the story continues...

Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:47 am

Tero wrote:
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If we charge Trump with criminal election tampering, will he have to run in 2024? So he can pardon himself.
I doubt we'll see a criminal prosecution, or even an impeachment. The 'beyond reasonable doubt' requirement for a criminal jury is very risky - it only needs one juror to to have doubts and Trump walks free claiming to have been proven innocent, and if he is convicted he'll bung the system up with appeals and further bolster his claims of a political witch hunt. Either way works for him and his supporters, apologists and enablers. I think the evidential bar for an impeachment is lower, but again both a failure to impeach or successful impeachment can just be spun to prove his point and support his agenda.

That said, a failure to prosecute or impeach would rather look like the Law applies to all c.330 million US citizens except for the most powerful person in the Republican party - an appalling and dangerous precedent to set. One wonders what the combination of an untouchable, infallible Pope in the White House and an untouchable, unelected council of Cardinals in the Supreme Court might achieve in the name of God and American patriotism.

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Re: All Things Trump: the story continues...

Post by Hermit » Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:27 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
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...a failure to prosecute or impeach would rather look like the Law applies to all c.330 million US citizens except for the most powerful person in the Republican party - an appalling and dangerous precedent to set.
Impeachment is not a court matter. It is a political process. Only current government officials can be impeached.
Article One of the United States Constitution provides that the House of Representatives has the "sole Power of Impeachment" and the Senate has "the sole Power to try all Impeachments". Article Two provides that "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." In the United States, impeachment is the first of two stages; an official may be impeached by a majority vote of the House, but conviction and removal from office in the Senate requires "the concurrence of two thirds of the members present".
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The Constitution provides that "Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States
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Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:32 pm

I am aware of the difference. I raised it as one of possibly only two sanctions available - an impeachment process initiated by the House of Reps could strip him of his post-presidential privileges and his right to run/serve again. The arguments against would be that he's no longer on active duty so the House have no authority to pass any kind of judgement, and that there's nothing in the constitution to forbid someone a committee of the House determined was complicit in a coup attempt from standing for office again.
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Re: All Things Trump: the story continues...

Post by Tero » Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:57 am

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this week
he is on his Elvis tour
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Re: All Things Trump: the story continues...

Post by Tero » Sun Jul 10, 2022 11:08 am

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Re: All Things Trump: the story continues...

Post by Tero » Tue Jul 12, 2022 12:28 am

If Trump does not get the 2024 nominatoon, he and millions of trmpsters will just walk out.
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Re: All Things Trump: the story continues...

Post by Tero » Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:10 pm

Trump support eroding.

But I found a meme for Sean
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Re: All Things Trump: the story continues...

Post by Svartalf » Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:48 pm

Tero wrote:
Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:57 am
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this week
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you pay him..not a campaign
I so wish he'd break down like elvis did and messily die in his own poop and vomit. I'd have liked it even better had it happened 7 years ago.
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Re: All Things Trump: the story continues...

Post by Tero » Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:33 am

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Secret documents coming any day!
Trump wins 2020 election in 2022.
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Said Daemon, who's sorry too, but y'see we didn't have no choice
And our hands they are many and we'd be of one voice
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Re: All Things Trump: the story continues...

Post by rainbow » Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:57 pm

Tero wrote:
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If Trump does not get the 2024 nominatoon, he and millions of trmpsters will just walk out.
Where can I donate toward the Pier?
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Re: All Things Trump: the story continues...

Post by Sean Hayden » Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:56 pm

Tero wrote:
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Trump support eroding.

But I found a meme for Sean
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Post by Tero » Thu Jul 14, 2022 12:12 pm

Only Mitch could have stopped it. And still could try, but it is no longer his GOP, so he has less influence.
Justice Department prosecutors, who enforce federal law, are more constrained. They are required to keep their investigations secret, to avoid defaming individuals who may not ultimately be charged with crimes. They must assess and share all potentially exculpatory evidence with defense lawyers before a trial. And they must convince every member of a jury that the accused committed a crime beyond a reasonable doubt. If Trump were to be tried and acquitted, it would boost him politically—another “deep state” plot foiled. And, even if he were convicted, legal experts say that it would not bar him from running for President.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-co ... ing-closer

Trump is CEO/owner of his company. he could be charged with tax fraud and that would be easier to get a jury for.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization

https://www.chron.com/z-archived-jobs/s ... -71363.php
Dennis there is the famous one. He was out in 2014
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Re: All Things Trump: the story continues...

Post by Sean Hayden » Thu Jul 14, 2022 12:30 pm

How do you stomach this nonsense Tero? You know that all these lofty ideals only apply because of the target of the investigation, right?

To me it feels like a betrayal to even pay attention...

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Re: All Things Trump: the story continues...

Post by Tero » Thu Jul 14, 2022 12:51 pm

Nixon did not go to jail, but Dennis did, so there is hope some corruption can be slowed down. I don't much care for billionaires. I can't even stand Buffet and he is not a total asshole.
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Re: All Things Trump: the story continues...

Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Jul 14, 2022 8:00 pm


Tero wrote:Only Mitch could have stopped it. And still could try, but it is no longer his GOP, so he has less influence.
Justice Department prosecutors, who enforce federal law, are more constrained. They are required to keep their investigations secret, to avoid defaming individuals who may not ultimately be charged with crimes. They must assess and share all potentially exculpatory evidence with defense lawyers before a trial. And they must convince every member of a jury that the accused committed a crime beyond a reasonable doubt. If Trump were to be tried and acquitted, it would boost him politically—another “deep state” plot foiled. And, even if he were convicted, legal experts say that it would not bar him from running for President.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-co ... ing-closer

Trump is CEO/owner of his company. he could be charged with tax fraud and that would be easier to get a jury for.
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 4#p1936714
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