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Post by Hermit » Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:37 am

laklak wrote:
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Rainbow and rEv I get what you're saying, but it's like choosing between Hitler and Stalin.
So you say. I go with someone's self description on Facebook: "Let it be known that I don't identify as a democrat, I just vote that way because I'd rather eat a stale sandwich than a plate of feces."
So you talk about mobs and the working classes as if they were the question. You've got that eternal idiotic idea that if anarchy came it would come from the poor. Why should it? The poor have been rebels, but they have never been anarchists; they have more interest than anyone else in there being some decent government. The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all. Aristocrats were always anarchists. - G.K. Chesterton

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Post by laklak » Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:44 pm

I'm with Willie on this one, a pox on both their houses.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Post by rainbow » Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:25 am

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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:23 am

The cheesy music thread is over there.
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Post by Seabass » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:16 pm

Fox News isn't news. It's a virus that turns white people into monsters.

There have been 200,000 coronavirus deaths in the US. Fox News got us here.
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Post by Seabass » Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:34 pm

Heh, remember when Obama refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power? I don't, but I reckon he must have as I've been assured that both sides are the same.

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Post by Seabass » Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:40 pm

When national security types, who tend to lean conservative, endorse the Dem over the Republican, you know the Republican must be truly fucked up.


Nearly 500 National Security Experts Endorse Biden For President
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/24/91618421 ... -president
There's also Gen. Peter Chiarelli, who served as the Army's No. 2 officer before retiring in 2012.

Chiarelli, in an interview with NPR, said he was never involved in politics until now.

"I believe the current administration is a real threat to the republic," he said, citing the president's "attacks on institutions" and his "failure to lead," especially on a coronavirus response. Chiarelli said it "makes me ill" that the wearing of masks to prevent the spread of the virus has been politicized by the president.
Or maybe they just have that TDS that's been going around... :coffee:
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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:52 pm

Get the vote out.
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Post by Seabass » Tue Oct 06, 2020 9:04 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
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Get the vote out.
One notable highlight from this week's John Oliver: A black man in Republican controlled Georgia started a timer when he got in line to vote. He finished voting 7 hours and 45 minutes later.

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Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Oct 06, 2020 9:39 am

Why do they go on and on about democracy? It is total chaos and corruption will take over. As was said Trump will only accept his win.
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Post by Seabass » Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:23 pm

The New England Journal of Medicine does not think both sides are the same. I guess they must have TDS. :coffee:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2029812
Dying in a Leadership Vacuum

Covid-19 has created a crisis throughout the world. This crisis has produced a test of leadership. With no good options to combat a novel pathogen, countries were forced to make hard choices about how to respond. Here in the United States, our leaders have failed that test. They have taken a crisis and turned it into a tragedy.

The magnitude of this failure is astonishing. According to the Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering,1 the United States leads the world in Covid-19 cases and in deaths due to the disease, far exceeding the numbers in much larger countries, such as China. The death rate in this country is more than double that of Canada, exceeds that of Japan, a country with a vulnerable and elderly population, by a factor of almost 50, and even dwarfs the rates in lower-middle-income countries, such as Vietnam, by a factor of almost 2000. Covid-19 is an overwhelming challenge, and many factors contribute to its severity. But the one we can control is how we behave. And in the United States we have consistently behaved poorly.

We know that we could have done better. China, faced with the first outbreak, chose strict quarantine and isolation after an initial delay. These measures were severe but effective, essentially eliminating transmission at the point where the outbreak began and reducing the death rate to a reported 3 per million, as compared with more than 500 per million in the United States. Countries that had far more exchange with China, such as Singapore and South Korea, began intensive testing early, along with aggressive contact tracing and appropriate isolation, and have had relatively small outbreaks. And New Zealand has used these same measures, together with its geographic advantages, to come close to eliminating the disease, something that has allowed that country to limit the time of closure and to largely reopen society to a prepandemic level. In general, not only have many democracies done better than the United States, but they have also outperformed us by orders of magnitude.

Why has the United States handled this pandemic so badly? We have failed at almost every step. We had ample warning, but when the disease first arrived, we were incapable of testing effectively and couldn’t provide even the most basic personal protective equipment to health care workers and the general public. And we continue to be way behind the curve in testing. While the absolute numbers of tests have increased substantially, the more useful metric is the number of tests performed per infected person, a rate that puts us far down the international list, below such places as Kazakhstan, Zimbabwe, and Ethiopia, countries that cannot boast the biomedical infrastructure or the manufacturing capacity that we have.2 Moreover, a lack of emphasis on developing capacity has meant that U.S. test results are often long delayed, rendering the results useless for disease control.

Although we tend to focus on technology, most of the interventions that have large effects are not complicated. The United States instituted quarantine and isolation measures late and inconsistently, often without any effort to enforce them, after the disease had spread substantially in many communities. Our rules on social distancing have in many places been lackadaisical at best, with loosening of restrictions long before adequate disease control had been achieved. And in much of the country, people simply don’t wear masks, largely because our leaders have stated outright that masks are political tools rather than effective infection control measures. The government has appropriately invested heavily in vaccine development, but its rhetoric has politicized the development process and led to growing public distrust.

The United States came into this crisis with enormous advantages. Along with tremendous manufacturing capacity, we have a biomedical research system that is the envy of the world. We have enormous expertise in public health, health policy, and basic biology and have consistently been able to turn that expertise into new therapies and preventive measures. And much of that national expertise resides in government institutions. Yet our leaders have largely chosen to ignore and even denigrate experts.

The response of our nation’s leaders has been consistently inadequate. The federal government has largely abandoned disease control to the states. Governors have varied in their responses, not so much by party as by competence. But whatever their competence, governors do not have the tools that Washington controls. Instead of using those tools, the federal government has undermined them. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which was the world’s leading disease response organization, has been eviscerated and has suffered dramatic testing and policy failures. The National Institutes of Health have played a key role in vaccine development but have been excluded from much crucial government decision making. And the Food and Drug Administration has been shamefully politicized,3 appearing to respond to pressure from the administration rather than scientific evidence. Our current leaders have undercut trust in science and in government,4 causing damage that will certainly outlast them. Instead of relying on expertise, the administration has turned to uninformed “opinion leaders” and charlatans who obscure the truth and facilitate the promulgation of outright lies.

Let’s be clear about the cost of not taking even simple measures. An outbreak that has disproportionately affected communities of color has exacerbated the tensions associated with inequality. Many of our children are missing school at critical times in their social and intellectual development. The hard work of health care professionals, who have put their lives on the line, has not been used wisely. Our current leadership takes pride in the economy, but while most of the world has opened up to some extent, the United States still suffers from disease rates that have prevented many businesses from reopening, with a resultant loss of hundreds of billions of dollars and millions of jobs. And more than 200,000 Americans have died. Some deaths from Covid-19 were unavoidable. But, although it is impossible to project the precise number of additional American lives lost because of weak and inappropriate government policies, it is at least in the tens of thousands in a pandemic that has already killed more Americans than any conflict since World War II.

Anyone else who recklessly squandered lives and money in this way would be suffering legal consequences. Our leaders have largely claimed immunity for their actions. But this election gives us the power to render judgment. Reasonable people will certainly disagree about the many political positions taken by candidates. But truth is neither liberal nor conservative. When it comes to the response to the largest public health crisis of our time, our current political leaders have demonstrated that they are dangerously incompetent. We should not abet them and enable the deaths of thousands more Americans by allowing them to keep their jobs.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:33 am

Trump needs to go. But after that, something needs to be done about the Democrats.
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Post by Seabass » Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:37 pm

Republican senator:

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Post by Seabass » Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:49 pm

Remember when the Republican president Trump tweeted "LIBERATE MICHIGAN"?

Today, the FBI thwarted a plot by right-wing domestic terrorists to kidnap the Democratic governor of Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer.
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