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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:00 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
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Within the affluent democracy, the affluent discussion prevails, and within the established framework, it is tolerant to a large extent. All points of view can be heard: the Communist and the Fascist, the Left and the Right, the white and the Negro, the crusaders for armament and for disarmament. Moreover, in endlessly dragging debates over the media, the stupid opinion is treated with the same respect as the intelligent one, the misinformed may talk as long as the informed, and propaganda rides along with education, truth with falsehood. This pure toleration of sense and nonsense is justified by the democratic argument that nobody, neither group nor individual, is in possession of the truth and capable of defining what is right and wrong, good and bad. Therefore, all contesting opinions must be submitted to 'the people' for its deliberation and choice. But I have already suggested that the democratic argument implies a necessary condition, namely, that the people must be capable of deliberating and choosing on the basis of knowledge, that they must have access to authentic information, and that, on this. basis, their evaluation must be the result of autonomous thought...

Herbert Marcuse, Repressive Tolerance, 1965
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Post by JimC » Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:30 am

You'll need to ask rEv...

He's an uncultured Marxist... :tea:
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Post by JimC » Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:02 am

:hehe:
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:58 am

But something is missing in the USA political system and that is democracy. It was from its conception and still is a non democratic government system. The way Americans throw around the word "democracy" is appalling. Two major institutions which are not, by any stretch of the imagination democratic; the Electoral College and the Senate. Both which keep the GOP in power. The last the Repugs want is democracy which is why they are always referring to it.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:43 am

L'Emmerdeur wrote:
Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:00 am
Brian Peacock wrote:
Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:28 am
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Within the affluent democracy, the affluent discussion prevails, and within the established framework, it is tolerant to a large extent. All points of view can be heard: the Communist and the Fascist, the Left and the Right, the white and the Negro, the crusaders for armament and for disarmament. Moreover, in endlessly dragging debates over the media, the stupid opinion is treated with the same respect as the intelligent one, the misinformed may talk as long as the informed, and propaganda rides along with education, truth with falsehood. This pure toleration of sense and nonsense is justified by the democratic argument that nobody, neither group nor individual, is in possession of the truth and capable of defining what is right and wrong, good and bad. Therefore, all contesting opinions must be submitted to 'the people' for its deliberation and choice. But I have already suggested that the democratic argument implies a necessary condition, namely, that the people must be capable of deliberating and choosing on the basis of knowledge, that they must have access to authentic information, and that, on this. basis, their evaluation must be the result of autonomous thought...

Herbert Marcuse, Repressive Tolerance, 1965
Quoting from an arch Cultural Marxist--what is the world coming to? :nono: :lol:
OK, then just for balance...
... When men have realized that time has upset many fighting faiths, they may come to believe even more than they believe the very foundations of their own conduct that the ultimate good desired is better reached by free trade in ideas—that the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market, and that truth is the only ground upon which their wishes safely can be carried out. That at any rate is the theory of our Constitution. ...

Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., dissent in Abrams v. United States, 1917
Ah. But if we accept that haven't we just done what Marcuse was warning us about - thinking that the prevailing consensus embodies the best in ideas and practices, because they are the ones that have won-out over opposing beliefs, understandings, and ways of doing? :dizzy:
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Post by laklak » Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:38 pm

Why would we want democracy? All those unwashed peasants voting? NO thank you.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Post by JimC » Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:55 pm

Convince the money launderers to switch to being peasant launderers and you're golden!
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:06 pm

Sorry the USA is the richest third world country.
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Post by Seabass » Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:27 pm

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Post by laklak » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:58 pm

Third, schmird.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Post by Seabass » Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:51 am

Passed by the Dem House, dead in the GOP Senate:
George Floyd Justice in Policing Act
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Post by Seabass » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:22 pm

Scientific American does not think both sides are the same. So unfair. They must have TDS. :sigh:



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Post by JimC » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:53 pm

That will just confirm to Trump supporters that science is an evil atheist plot...
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Post by Seabass » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:04 pm

JimC wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:53 pm
That will just confirm to Trump supporters that science is an evil atheist radical far left socialist communist plot...
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