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Re: The state of the UK

Post by Svartalf » Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:05 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
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The idea that any white person in the UK can claim Gaele, Gual, Dane, Angles, Celt or Saxon etc heritage in any meaningful way -- that we aren't a bastard nation, and always have been -- is ridiculous. And yet some people do. I find it interesting that nobody ever seems to claim Roman heritage in the same way.
I would agree with you but due to geographic anomalies There were many pockets of Vikings along the west Irish coast and the Gaels were no match for them. The ruling families came from Viking stock. When the Spanish Armada was forced to sail around the British Isles many ships crashed on the west coast of Ireland and even today the Spanish genes are clearly visible. People did not travel much and very few left their townland.
The Scots were invited by the English to come and take charge of Ireland but only really settled in what is now today Northern Island. The Scots came mostly from the west of Scotland and were non Catholic non Gaelic speakers. The Church of Ireland (protestant) is still strong in certain areas even as far south west as Kerry.
What do you mean anomalies? they founded Limerick and used it as a base to extend on nearby areas. And you seem to forget that those Norse stock ruling families integrated so well in the country that some writers called them 'more Irish than the Irish'.
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Re: The state of the UK

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Hermit wrote:
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The idea that any white person in the UK can claim Gaele, Gual, Dane, Angles, Celt or Saxon etc heritage in any meaningful way -- that we aren't a bastard nation, and always have been -- is ridiculous. And yet some people do. I find it interesting that nobody ever seems to claim Roman heritage in the same way.
Perhaps you might want to take cognisance of what I did claim. It was that the Irish and the Scottish populations are more closely related to each other than with any other population.
By original stock, maybe, but culturally, not necessarily that much.
I mean, the Scotsfolk that the English imported to manage Ireland for them might have been of Norse Gael stock, but culturally, they were English speaking protestants, and looked on the natives with precisely the same contempt, spite and disgust as their English lords.
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No they not. No Gaels ever came into the Southern Uplands or the Low Lands. The Irish and Scottish Gaels are only related vaguely. The rest of the Scottish Population has no relationship with the Gaels. The two languages are from one root and a different one to the Welsh, Cornwall and Brittany. Irish Gaelic speakers have great difficulty understanding Scottish Gaelic and vice a versa. You obviously have never played shinty or hurling. You might as well throw in ice hockey or 'mali' (a cross between golf and hockey played here) as well in the comparison. I played both at school. You dont say Irish Whiskey or Scotch Whisky. Ireland you say the name when ordering ie "a Jamieson" and in Scotland it has very many names including a dram or a half as in "a pint and a half" (pint of beer and a whisky chaser).
Your cultural knowledge is very lacking. The Irish never use the 'Mac' in names only 'Mc'. The 'O' is not Gaelic as in O'Riley. It is an Irish modernism which ofcourse does not appear in Scotland. Looking for "spijkers in laag water" will always provide some vague connections. How about kilts? A Victorian invention including the Irish one which is never worn by the population in Ireland.
related vaguely? You DO know that Scottish Gaelic is an offshoot of Ulaidh dialect, don't you?

Yes, modern Gaidhlig is hard to make out by Gaeilge speakers, as would any daughter language cut off from its mother language for a millenium or more.
Canadian French is at the border or intercomprehension with French, or maybe already over, and the cutoff is less than 3 centuries.
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Re: The state of the UK

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Scot, I hope you realise that we have a resident expert here in Svarty, not just on Ireland, but European history in general...
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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:27 am

You're absolutely right Svarty, I've never heard Southern French law history experts talk. :)
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You're absolutely right Svarty, I've never heard Southern French law history experts talk. :)
What a sheltered life you've led, Brian... :nono:
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Re: The state of the UK

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Scot, I hope you realise that we have a resident expert here in Svarty, not just on Ireland, but European history in general...
I'd better, I've studied enough to achieve that :mrgreen: :p
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JimC wrote:
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You're absolutely right Svarty, I've never heard Southern French law history experts talk. :)
What a sheltered life you've led, Brian... :nono:
Yeah, every young man ought to spend a year or two in a French law university to round out their culture. :mrgreen:
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Re: The state of the UK

Post by Scot Dutchy » Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:32 am

Of course Occitania was very popular when I was in France in the 80's. The language had a revival and I even went to a folk concert given in Occitanian. All very snobby like the members of the Gaelic Society in Edinburgh. Gaelic was never spoken in Edinburgh.
In Ireland in the 50's and 60's Irish was compulsory and to get your leaving cert you had to pass Irish. Today that has been dropped and outside the so called Gaelic speaking areas Irish is only spoken in a small snobistic clique who do everything to maintain what is a minority almost dead language. All modern terms are in English ie. computer and communication. The same is true in Wales. Welsh was never spoken in the Valleys but today every child is forced to learn it thanks to the Welsh Nationalists. We have the same problem with Frisian.
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Scot Dutchy wrote:Chumocracy.

UK sells arms to nearly 80% of countries under restrictions, says report
Exporting to countries under sanctions and embargos is ‘systematic failure to consider human rights records’

British ministers and officials have approved the sale of arms to nearly four-fifths of countries subject to arms embargos, trade sanctions or other restrictions over the past five years, according to analysis.

The UK has exported military hardware to 58 countries of the 73 listed as subject to restrictions by the Department for International Trade (DIT), including sniper rifles to Pakistan, assault rifles to Kenya and naval equipment to China.

The exports are legal but researchers with the group that compiled the report, Action on Armed Violence, said they represented “a systemic failure to consider the human rights record of states before exporting weapons to them”.

Countries covered by sanctions range from a handful where all arms sales are banned to a larger group covered by transit controls, where a special licence is required, for political, security or human rights reasons.

Five countries listed by the trade department as key export markets for British arms makers: Bahrain, Bangladesh, Colombia, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, also feature on the Foreign Office’s latest list of 30 “human rights priority countries”, although not all are subject to sanctions.
Fully in keeping with giving gas to Saddam Hussain to use on the Kurds then.


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Re: The state of the UK

Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:37 am

The Greek was not that popular.

BBC’s Prince Philip coverage breaks UK TV complaints record
110,000 people have complained, mostly about excess but also about Andrew, attire – and ease of complaining

The BBC’s wall-to-wall coverage of Prince Philip’s death has become the most complained-about moment in British television history, as viewers expressed their annoyance that shows such as EastEnders and MasterChef were replaced with royal tributes.

At least 110,994 people have contacted the BBC to express their displeasure at the decision to turn most of the corporation’s TV channels and radio stations over to rolling tributes to the Queen’s husband.

BBC One and BBC Two dedicated Friday evening’s programming to Philip, and their ratings fell as viewers switched off altogether, turned to streaming services or watched shows such as Gogglebox on Channel 4.

According to an internal BBC complaints log seen by the Guardian, an unprecedented level of viewer feedback was received over the weekend, meaning the coverage appears to have elicited one of the most negative reactions to BBC programmes ever seen.

One example comment from a member of the public included in the log said: “Coverage of this event took up the entire evening broadcast to the exclusion of all other topics, including the ongoing topic of the pandemic. Some coverage was justified, but not to this extent.”

Another said: “It was sad news Prince Philip [sic] died on Friday and I understand the BBC had to acknowledge the fact but on every single one of its channels? Why [not] just put it on one channel for those that want to listen to that drivel and the rest of us can have a bit of music.”
Just wait when Liz dies. I pity the UK as the tail controls the dog. The royal family should in its present state be scrapped.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:50 am

MPs line up to parrot platitudes in tribute to Prince Philip
John Crace wrote:Boris Johnson leads in trotting out the tropes about a polymath with a sense of service and selflessness

ith only a few standard clips – “he leaves a huge void”, “he just slipped away” – on offer from members of the family who actually knew the Duke of Edinburgh, nearly all the eulogies elsewhere in the media have come from professional royal-watchers who have quickly mugged up on HRH’s Wikipedia page. Prince Philip would have been gratified that his real friends had kept their silence and astonished by the number of strangers who claimed to have some insight into his personality.


Prince Philip was the polymath’s polymath, Boris insisted: scientist, engineer, artist and conservationist rolled into one. Though the evidence for this was rather thin on the ground. A long-wheelbase Land Rover to carry his coffin. A bespoke barbecue for use at Balmoral. A few unexceptional watercolours. His shooting of a tiger back in the early 60s was rather overlooked.

Johnson went on to claim that HRH had invented the term “dontopedalogy” – the science of putting your foot in your mouth – but that it had been less a series of gaffes and more sincere attempts to put people at ease. This was Boris getting in his excuses early. Not so much casual racism, but a Duke of Edinburgh tribute act. He ended by mentioning Prince Philip’s nobler qualities: his sense of duty, service and selflessness. Though even Johnson could see that no one was going to make those sorts of claims about him when the time came.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:21 am

I think the 'great and good' sat down some time in the early 70s to decide what would happen in the event of the Queen or Phillip's demise, then they locked the file away in a draw and never thought about it again until last week. The UK is still mostly a Royalist society, but not to the extent of missing Strictly, EastEnders, or Gardeners' World! And certainly not enough to interrupt a good early morning mosh...



What the fawning coverage of the old Greek's death suggest to me is that the 'great and good' exist in a different world to the rest of us - but they still want us to believe the stories they tell themselves about how virtuous and noble they are. What they want is sycophants and worshippers that boost their personal sense of self-worth, not voters or citizens with equal rights and an equal say.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:41 pm

The trouble is that only the sanitised version exists and they are sticking to it. Maybe in a few years actual facts will appear but I doubt it. He chose his bed very carefully and laid in it. From a poor stateless immigrant to marrying one of the richest women in the world was not bad while enjoying plenty such a life could bring even though a few lives were lost on the way. His life only is an example of why royalty should be scrapped or dramatically changed.
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