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Re: The state of the UK

Post by JimC » Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:59 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
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...But still, the question about who are we threatened by and need to defend ourselves against is a good one...
The EU, clearly. German Panzers crossing the channel on French ships, with a flotilla of Dutch rowboats to assist...

"I do not say they cannot come. I only say they cannot come by sea"...

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Just give the points to Hermit.
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Re: The state of the UK

Post by Svartalf » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:58 pm

Of course we can't come by sea... why do you think we conned them in letting us built the chunnel?
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Re: The state of the UK

Post by Hermit » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:26 pm

pErvinalia wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:44 pm
Just give the points to Hermit.
Why?

For no particular reason I remember having spent a great deal of time surfing along the south coast of New south Wales, particularly the stretch between Jervis Bay (named after some admiral of the British Royal Navy) and Bawley Point. On one occasion, when I was supposed to be taking care of our red heeler while the rest of the family went elsewhere, I did one of those trips and took the dog along. There's a left hand break on the northern tip of Jervis Bay known to surfers as Green Island, even though it is not an island. The best way to get to it is to paddle out to it via the bay itself. On my way there I heard some yapping. Turning around, I discovered that the dog was following me. I dragged him on to my kneeboard and pushed it into the whitewash of a wave as it petered out towards the shore of the bay. Watching the snout of the dog above the water as the dog barked happily on his way back to land, had me laughing.

There is also a Cape Jervis (also named after the admiral mentioned above) on the tip of the Fleurieu Peninsula south of Adelaide. I have not visited it. Kangaroo Island blocks most swells from getting there.
So you talk about mobs and the working classes as if they were the question. You've got that eternal idiotic idea that if anarchy came it would come from the poor. Why should it? The poor have been rebels, but they have never been anarchists; they have more interest than anyone else in there being some decent government. The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all. Aristocrats were always anarchists. - G.K. Chesterton

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JimC wrote: "I do not say they cannot come. I only say they cannot come by sea"...
Turn back the boats!

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Re: The state of the UK

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pErvinalia wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:20 am
JimC wrote: "I do not say they cannot come. I only say they cannot come by sea"...
Turn back the boats!
:lol:

Almost every Australian Prime Minister since federation.
So you talk about mobs and the working classes as if they were the question. You've got that eternal idiotic idea that if anarchy came it would come from the poor. Why should it? The poor have been rebels, but they have never been anarchists; they have more interest than anyone else in there being some decent government. The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all. Aristocrats were always anarchists. - G.K. Chesterton

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Re: The state of the UK

Post by JimC » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:46 am

Hermit wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:26 pm
pErvinalia wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:44 pm
Just give the points to Hermit.
Why?

For no particular reason I remember having spent a great deal of time surfing along the south coast of New south Wales, particularly the stretch between Jervis Bay (named after some admiral of the British Royal Navy) and Bawley Point. On one occasion, when I was supposed to be taking care of our red heeler while the rest of the family went elsewhere, I did one of those trips and took the dog along. There's a left hand break on the northern tip of Jervis Bay known to surfers as Green Island, even though it is not an island. The best way to get to it is to paddle out to it via the bay itself. On my way there I heard some yapping. Turning around, I discovered that the dog was following me. I dragged him on to my kneeboard and pushed it into the whitewash of a wave as it petered out towards the shore of the bay. Watching the snout of the dog above the water as the dog barked happily on his way back to land, had me laughing.

There is also a Cape Jervis (also named after the admiral mentioned above) on the tip of the Fleurieu Peninsula south of Adelaide. I have not visited it. Kangaroo Island blocks most swells from getting there.
You are indeed a clever old bugger, Hermit... :tup:

It was a quote from John Jervis, 1st Earl of St Vincent, when he was First Lord of the Admiralty, at a time when Napoleon's armies were poised along the coast of France, accumulating barges, and waiting for the Royal Navy to slip up. Which of course it did not...
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:23 am

Thank God, or we'd all be speaking Frog.
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Re: The state of the UK

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Hermit wrote:

There is also a Cape Jervis (also named after the admiral mentioned above) on the tip of the Fleurieu Peninsula south of Adelaide. I have not visited it. Kangaroo Island blocks most swells from getting there.
As a complete aside, that is where the ferry to Kangaroo Island leaves from. We've done the trip twice. Hermit (or anyone else with the chance), take a trip to Kangaroo Island - it's a beautiful place...
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Re: The state of the UK

Post by laklak » Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:54 am

If Napoleon had taken the UK we'd be speaking German, they'd have been in Wales two days after Paris.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: The state of the UK

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:18 am

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Re: The state of the UK

Post by Hermit » Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:36 am

JimC wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:46 am
It was a quote from John Jervis, 1st Earl of St Vincent, when he was First Lord of the Admiralty...
Not quite accurate. Jervis was an Admiral in command of the Channel Fleet at the time he wrote that letter, addressed to the then appointed First Lord of the Admiralty, Earl Spencer. He was appointed First Lord of the Admiralty a short time later, where he made a lot of waves, so to speak.

Jervis created a storm by pursuing corruption within the navy, both real and imagined. Among other things this eventually led to the impeachment (from which he was acquitted) of a previous treasurer of the Admiralty and successor to Jervis, Lord Melville. The other disturbance was Jervis's effort to have promotions determined by competence rather than social standing. His activities set in train all manner of overdue reforms.

When the Whig government of Henry Addington was replaced by yet another Tory term under William Pitt (the Younger) Jervis felt compelled to resign. He was reinstated as Admiral of the Fleet after another change of government (Lord Grenville, Whigs) in 1806, but retired on grounds of health the following year at the age of 71 and died in 1823, aged 88.
So you talk about mobs and the working classes as if they were the question. You've got that eternal idiotic idea that if anarchy came it would come from the poor. Why should it? The poor have been rebels, but they have never been anarchists; they have more interest than anyone else in there being some decent government. The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all. Aristocrats were always anarchists. - G.K. Chesterton

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Re: The state of the UK

Post by JimC » Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:45 am

I bow to your superior knowledge. Mine comes from reading Hornblower and Jack Aubrey novels... :tea:
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Re: The state of the UK

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JimC wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:44 am
Hermit wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:26 pm
There is also a Cape Jervis (also named after the admiral mentioned above) on the tip of the Fleurieu Peninsula south of Adelaide. I have not visited it. Kangaroo Island blocks most swells from getting there.
As a complete aside, that is where the ferry to Kangaroo Island leaves from. We've done the trip twice. Hermit (or anyone else with the chance), take a trip to Kangaroo Island - it's a beautiful place...
Half of it is. The other half got incinerated last January. It'll take quite a few years to recover. Almost 5000 people live there. In addition to tourism farming and logging are among their most important sources of income. The parts of the island that are still in their natural state are continually endangered by development proposals, such as golf courses, helipads, ports and more.
So you talk about mobs and the working classes as if they were the question. You've got that eternal idiotic idea that if anarchy came it would come from the poor. Why should it? The poor have been rebels, but they have never been anarchists; they have more interest than anyone else in there being some decent government. The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all. Aristocrats were always anarchists. - G.K. Chesterton

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Re: The state of the UK

Post by JimC » Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:13 am

At times, you are even more depressing than Scot Dutchy...
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