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Post by NineBerry » Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:18 pm

I don't understand the first sentence of the answer. Can you transcribe the first sentence of the answer?


Anyway, there is abundant proof that Koch's postulates are fulfilled entirely (even though they aren't actually that relevant today anymore because we have much better tools to find out what causes a disease).

It's the same shtick used by the denialists over here. They walk around and everywhere they say that Koch's postulates weren't fulfilled and that there were no isolated of the virus. And everyone who proofs the opposite is just being ignored by them.

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Post by rainbow » Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:49 pm

Masks don't work.

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Post by Svartalf » Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:09 pm

It's absolutely true, masks don't work, I asked mine to hoover the place and make me a sammich, had to do it myself because it wouldn't budge.
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Post by Hermit » Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:31 pm

NineBerry wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:18 pm
I don't understand the first sentence of the answer. Can you transcribe the first sentence of the answer?
https://www.newsweek.com/new-zealand-le ... er-1539053
So you talk about mobs and the working classes as if they were the question. You've got that eternal idiotic idea that if anarchy came it would come from the poor. Why should it? The poor have been rebels, but they have never been anarchists; they have more interest than anyone else in there being some decent government. The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all. Aristocrats were always anarchists. - G.K. Chesterton

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Post by NineBerry » Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:44 pm

So, he says "We've got someone who obviously got an education in America" which is not nice.

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Post by Hermit » Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:11 pm

NineBerry wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:44 pm
So, he says "We've got someone who obviously got an education in America" which is not nice.
It wasn't, but then the event was not a briefing about the coronavirus. It was part of an election campaign. Peters is not a lecturer. He's a politician, and he was playing to the electorate. Not only that, but he is also the leader of the New Zealand First party since its foundation in 1993, so nationalistic chauvinism comes easily to him.
So you talk about mobs and the working classes as if they were the question. You've got that eternal idiotic idea that if anarchy came it would come from the poor. Why should it? The poor have been rebels, but they have never been anarchists; they have more interest than anyone else in there being some decent government. The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all. Aristocrats were always anarchists. - G.K. Chesterton

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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

Post by JimC » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:17 pm

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So, he says "We've got someone who obviously got an education in America" which is not nice.
You don't play nice with covid deniers, you flay them with venom and spite. He was too polite, IMO...
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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

Post by NineBerry » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:26 pm

I meant not nice to America

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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:31 pm

America is not nice to us.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:28 pm

Regarding the Great Barrington Declaration.
The Great Barrington Declaration

The Great Barrington Declaration – As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.

Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.

Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.

Fortunately, our understanding of the virus is growing. We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza.

As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity.

The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk. We call this Focused Protection.

Adopting measures to protect the vulnerable should be the central aim of public health responses to COVID-19. By way of example, nursing homes should use staff with acquired immunity and perform frequent PCR testing of other staff and all visitors. Staff rotation should be minimized. Retired people living at home should have groceries and other essentials delivered to their home. When possible, they should meet family members outside rather than inside. A comprehensive and detailed list of measures, including approaches to multi-generational households, can be implemented, and is well within the scope and capability of public health professionals.

Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. Simple hygiene measures, such as hand washing and staying home when sick should be practiced by everyone to reduce the herd immunity threshold. Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume. People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.

On October 4, 2020
A video worth 15mins of anyone's time - whether you agree with the declaration or are for or against masks and other mitigation measures, or not...

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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

Post by JimC » Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:32 pm

NineBerry wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:26 pm
I meant not nice to America
Given that they have a ridiculously high proportion of their population who are ignorant science deniers, it was a fair hit, IMO...
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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

Post by NineBerry » Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:38 pm

Coronavirus: Berlin gives the finger to anti-maskers in tourism ad

Berlin's tourism authority has come under fire for its more direct approach in sending a reminder to people to obey coronavirus rules. "A finger-wag for all those without a mask," the elderly woman in the ad warns.
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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:49 pm

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Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:08 pm

Very good. :bird:
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