The Coronavirus Thread

[rainbow]

Today the heads of the 16 German States and the chancellor will discuss how to continue in Germany. Merkel wants to follow the zero covid strategy. There's a group of scientists that put together a strategy paper explaining the strategy. It also includes "consultations by Australian scientists and administrators". I'd so want this to happen. But it won't because of the stupid state prime ministers...

Get rid of the Bavarians!

[Hermit]

Today the heads of the 16 German States and the chancellor will discuss how to continue in Germany. Merkel wants to follow the zero covid strategy. There's a group of scientists that put together a strategy paper explaining the strategy. It also includes "consultations by Australian scientists and administrators". I'd so want this to happen. But it won't because of the stupid state prime ministers...

Get rid of the Bavarians!

And everyone who lives in the areas that used to be under Russian occupation. Especially those who live in Saxony

[Scot Dutchy]

I don't think you're very well Scot. Do you realise what you're laughing at?

The stupidity of rag wearing.

[Tero]

J and J vaccine more stable than RNA vaccines. Immune response is good.
https://www.prevention.com/health/amp35 ... 9-vaccine/
the length of immune response not known, past a couple of months.

[Tero]

Mass vaccinations coming to sports/concert arena for those over 65. The county has 300 000 people.

[Tero]

Walgreens and CVS, That Trump signed with, has not responded locally if they will have it soon.

[Brian Peacock]

My mum got her first Pfizer jab today. Next one some time in late Feb, early Mar.

[JimC]

[rainbow]

I don't think you're very well Scot. Do you realise what you're laughing at?

The stupidity of rag wearing.

https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140 ... 9/fulltext

Of course, The Lancet don't have your considerable resources to draw on to come to the conclusion that masks are essential in stopping the spread of Covid.

Maybe you should write to them?

[Scot Dutchy]

I don't think you're very well Scot. Do you realise what you're laughing at?

The stupidity of rag wearing.

https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140 ... 9/fulltext

Of course, The Lancet don't have your considerable resources to draw on to come to the conclusion that masks are essential in stopping the spread of Covid.

Maybe you should write to them?

Well I read a different more simpler report which this report supports in its conclusions. Respirators are more effective at a distance of 2-3 metres. Masks have the same effect in medical and non medical situations. You see of course the total impracticality of this. Who keeps two metres apart? People are being advised to wear masks when this distance cant be maintained which is the opposite advise of this report. This report goes on about eye protection; who wears that when face shields were declared useless. There is nothing about masks alone but only in combination with with other measures such as distancing and eye protection.

This whole report gets boiled down to the last paragraph. No hard figures but a subjective paragraph mentioning N95 respirators and 16 layer face masks further zilch. It even mentions that the direct evidence regarding the effectiveness of masks is limited. Who has a 16 layer mask or a N95 respirator? Which I joked about when wearing rags which is what we are doing in fact when compared to a 16 layer mask and N95 respirator.

Our comprehensive systematic review provides the best available information on three simple and common interventions to combat the immediate threat of COVID-19, while new evidence on pharmacological treatments, vaccines, and other personal protective strategies is being generated. Physical distancing of at least 1 m is strongly associated with protection, but distances of up to 2 m might be more effective. Although direct evidence is limited, the optimum use of face masks, in particular N95 or similar respirators in health-care settings and 12–16-layer cotton or surgical masks in the community, could depend on contextual factors; action is needed at all levels to address the paucity of better evidence. Eye protection might provide additional benefits. Globally collaborative and well conducted studies, including randomised trials, of different personal protective strategies are needed regardless of the challenges, but this systematic appraisal of currently best available evidence could be considered to inform interim guidance.

"Are needed". Why are they needed because there is none or it is insufficient.

[Hermit]

Our comprehensive systematic review provides the best available information on three simple and common interventions to combat the immediate threat of COVID-19, while new evidence on pharmacological treatments, vaccines, and other personal protective strategies is being generated. Physical distancing of at least 1 m is strongly associated with protection, but distances of up to 2 m might be more effective. Although direct evidence is limited, the optimum use of face masks, in particular N95 or similar respirators in health-care settings and 12–16-layer cotton or surgical masks in the community, could depend on contextual factors; action is needed at all levels to address the paucity of better evidence. Eye protection might provide additional benefits. Globally collaborative and well conducted studies, including randomised trials, of different personal protective strategies are needed regardless of the challenges, but this systematic appraisal of currently best available evidence could be considered to inform interim guidance.

Not a word of the quote you cited supports your contention that

The crap you are wearing on your face is not working

You remind me of people who oppose seatbelt laws because they don't eliminate all road accident fatalities. Masks, even the ones that are less effective than others, reduce the spread of the 'rona. They don't eliminate it, and nobody has claimed that they do. Like seatbelts, they are just one item among an array of safety precautions, and neither array is expected to be 100 per cent effective in their fight against fatalities in their respective fields.

[Tero]

25000 in the county have had it, 0.08%. 185 died. I think it comes to 0.06% of the county that died.

Newspaper says to go to county health department and sign up "Wed." But did not say which Wed. Someone must be writing code for the web site in a big hurry, if that means 2 hours from now.

[Scot Dutchy]

In Germany you will only be able to use specified medical masks as new measures are being introduced.
Why do you think that is? The present day rags are useless.
Who going to pay for them? In Germany it is the Federal Government.
This was just reported on Euronews live stream.

[NineBerry]

In Germany you will only be able to use specified medical masks as new measures are being introduced.
Why do you think that is? The present day rags are useless.

No, it's because it's the only further restrictions the politicians could think of because they don't want to close workplaces and something else had to be done.

Who going to pay for them? In Germany it is the Federal Government.

No, everyone has to buy their own masks. Elderly people get a handful of masks for free but that had already been decided in December.

[Scot Dutchy]

https://www.euronews.com/2021/01/20/cor ... ants-fears

Well look at that link. It is different to what you are saying. People are being forced to buy and wear these more expensive masks because politicians cant think of anything else? It is obvious that the present day rags are not working.