The Coronavirus Thread

[rainbow]

You don't prove hyptotheses. You try to invalidate them and then when everyone cannot do that, you can work with them.

There is no clear scientific evidence that parachutes are 100% effective. No double blind studies done. No people have been pushed from aeroplanes with placebo parachutes, so how can your be absolutely certain that they work?
Where are the thousands of cases examined under under meta-analysis showing that they are safe?

Clearly it would be a good idea to refuse the parachute, and jump out of a plane.

Dutch Logic

[rainbow]

Here is a good quality article from an accepted top class newspaper:

Testen, testen, testen? Eerder wachten, wachten, wachten: waarom het stokt bij de coronatesten

Het overvloedige testen tegen corona dat het kabinet in mei beloofde komt in praktijk maar niet op gang, kreeg Rutte bij de Algemene Beschouwingen te horen. Volgens de een heeft premier Rutte zijn cijfers niet op orde, volgens Rutte zelf komt het doordat ook mensen zonder klachten zich laten testen. Maar hoe zit het nou echt? Drie verklaringen gewogen.

...so which is it?
Is Rutte lying to cover up the fact that the promised tests were never delivered?
...or is Rutte confused by his own figures?

You obviously did not read the whole article as it contains the answer.

Answer the question!

[pErvinalia]

You don't prove hyptotheses. You try to invalidate them and then when everyone cannot do that, you can work with them.

There is no clear scientific evidence that parachutes are 100% effective. No double blind studies done. No people have been pushed from aeroplanes with placebo parachutes, so how can your be absolutely certain that they work?
Where are the thousands of cases examined under under meta-analysis showing that they are safe?

Clearly it would be a good idea to refuse the parachute, and jump out of a plane.

Dutch Logic

Most skydiving deaths are actually caused by gravity, not faulty parachutes.

[rainbow]

You don't prove hyptotheses. You try to invalidate them and then when everyone cannot do that, you can work with them.

There is no clear scientific evidence that parachutes are 100% effective. No double blind studies done. No people have been pushed from aeroplanes with placebo parachutes, so how can your be absolutely certain that they work?
Where are the thousands of cases examined under under meta-analysis showing that they are safe?

Clearly it would be a good idea to refuse the parachute, and jump out of a plane.

Dutch Logic

Most skydiving deaths are actually caused by gravity, not faulty parachutes.

Gravity is only a theory. Next you'll be trying to tell me we evolved from monkeys.

[pErvinalia]

Gravity is only a theory.

Exactly. Where's the double blind trials?

[Scot Dutchy]

You don't prove hyptotheses. You try to invalidate them and then when everyone cannot do that, you can work with them.

There is no clear scientific evidence that parachutes are 100% effective. No double blind studies done. No people have been pushed from aeroplanes with placebo parachutes, so how can your be absolutely certain that they work?
Where are the thousands of cases examined under under meta-analysis showing that they are safe?

Clearly it would be a good idea to refuse the parachute, and jump out of a plane.

Dutch Logic

This as always is a load of crap.

[Scot Dutchy]

Here is a good quality article from an accepted top class newspaper:

Testen, testen, testen? Eerder wachten, wachten, wachten: waarom het stokt bij de coronatesten

Het overvloedige testen tegen corona dat het kabinet in mei beloofde komt in praktijk maar niet op gang, kreeg Rutte bij de Algemene Beschouwingen te horen. Volgens de een heeft premier Rutte zijn cijfers niet op orde, volgens Rutte zelf komt het doordat ook mensen zonder klachten zich laten testen. Maar hoe zit het nou echt? Drie verklaringen gewogen.

...so which is it?
Is Rutte lying to cover up the fact that the promised tests were never delivered?
...or is Rutte confused by his own figures?

You obviously did not read the whole article as it contains the answer.

Answer the question!

Why dont you?

[Hermit]

You don't prove hyptotheses. You try to invalidate them and then when everyone cannot do that, you can work with them.

There is no clear scientific evidence that parachutes are 100% effective. No double blind studies done. No people have been pushed from aeroplanes with placebo parachutes, so how can your be absolutely certain that they work?
Where are the thousands of cases examined under under meta-analysis showing that they are safe?

Clearly it would be a good idea to refuse the parachute, and jump out of a plane.

Dutch Logic

This as always is a load of crap.

Precisely what rainbow pointed out to you.

[NineBerry]

Oktoberfest would have started today. Instead, there is a Corona testing center now on the "Wiesn"

[Sean Hayden]

everything sucks

[NineBerry]

No Oktoberfest is actually a good thing

[Svartalf]

Ive wanted to be at Oktoberfest at least once in my life
just to sample many different beers, piss by the mass, and never be able to go to bed sober for three days.

[Scot Dutchy]

Hands, face, space? Johnson's Covid message has got priorities wrong, scientists warn

Physical distancing, far more than washing hands, is the most critical factor in preventing spread of the virus

The latest drive to help halt the spread of Covid-19 has been criticised by senior scientists for placing insufficient emphasis on the issues of ventilation and the need to stay apart from others.

They say the government’s “hands, face, space” campaign stresses handwashing and the wearing of masks as key factors in controlling coronavirus transmission, while the need to keep apart has been downplayed, despite it being the single critical factor involved in the spread of Covid-19.

“As long as people keep emphasising handwashing over aerosol transmission and ventilation, you are not going to control this pandemic,” virologist Julian Tang, of Leicester Royal Infirmary, told the Observer.

He pointed to studies that suggest contact is the cause of transmission of the Covid-19 virus in only about 20% of cases while aerosol transmission, often in poorly ventilated rooms, accounted for the rest.

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“Space is the largest mitigating factor in the spread of Covid-19, indoors or outdoors. Wearing a face covering does not make it entirely safe to go within 2 metres of others; keeping your distance is still the best strategy,” she said. “Handwashing is important, but surface transmission plays a much smaller role than exhaled droplets, so it is odd that ‘hands’ has been listed first.”

Cole said this emphasis could lead to unnecessary concern over the likelihood of surface transmission from groceries, mail and other deliveries. At the same time, physical distancing was sometimes difficult in an indoor setting, she acknowledged. If so, people should simply not enter. “They should not just assume that a face covering and washing their hands will protect them if they do.”

Strangely that is the same message coming from our government. Masks dont work but social distancing and ventilation does. False security syndrome.

[Brian Peacock]

That's just what they want you to believe.

[NineBerry]

The point is there are situations when you cannot distance like in public transport or in shops.