The Coronavirus Thread

[Scot Dutchy]

Still no answer to was it worth it? Was it worth the extreme measures? Spain and Italy had the most extreme measures in place but they did not help. We dont have a null line comparison and you cant because every country and culture is unique.
Jim it is a bit naive to the think that governments would not inflate figures. It could motivated both politically and economically if there is any chance of aid money.
Also not all "experts" agree with the measures taken but as I have already said we will never know what other measures would lead to.

[rainbow]

...I dont like the way it being used to impose on sections of societies unnecessary measures that might be made permanent. I also dont adhere to the Trump camp....

Trump stepped aside, and let state governments deal with it the way they thought best.

Trump ducked his responsibilities, and decided to push hydroxy-chloroquine.

[Scot Dutchy]

Why do you always refer to the Netherlands data which has been admitted by the RIVM as not accurate due to reporting and recording.

I provided quotes with links from the RIVM. If you can find a link where the RIVM contradicts itself, provide it. Thank you.

My personal experience in collecting global and national data has made me very sceptical.

No links then. You got nothing.

I have plenty but I dont know how good your Dutch is.
Here is an example of a very long article in de Volkskrant (A very liberal quality paper) which I read last month.

Luisteren we in de coronacrisis niet naar een te klein groepje deskundigen?
"Are we not in the corona crisis listening to a too small group of experts".

There are plenty of this type of sceptical articles to be read here. Maybe in Australia people accept the kool aid given out by the government far more easily. Here it has never been the case hence our political system which allows more freedom of expression.

BTW it mentions how the RIVM did contradict itself.

[Scot Dutchy]

Here is an interesting picture of corona victims who died alone being buried in the Bronx, New york.

[Tero]

This should be a great time for the cremation business. If you cremated all 90 000 dead in the US, the ashes would amount to 200 000 kg. It should fit in that Bronx plot.

[Scot Dutchy]

That is what I was thinking. Why bury them?

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Another example of bad data collecting:

Doctors condemn secrecy over false negative Covid-19 tests

Research has found as many as 29% of swab tests on infected people come back negative

Doctors’ leaders have condemned ministers and Public Health England (PHE) for throwing a “shroud of secrecy” over how many coronavirus tests on NHS staff and patients produce wrong results.

The Hospital Consultants and Specialists Association (HCSA) has demanded an end to “evasion” and the “wall of silence” around how many swab tests result in false negative readings.

The tests, in which samples are taken from someone’s throat and nose, are vital in controlling the spread of Covid-19 in hospitals because they are used to check whether NHS personnel and inpatients have the virus and might unwittingly pass it on.

Of course these are amateurs.

[Tero]

Vaccines, big pharma and protocol:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... es-in-2017

To be sure, vaccines are among the riskiest drugs we take. But:

A global lack of preparedness for the coronavirus pandemic has already led to accusations in recent weeks that the pharmaceutical industry has failed to prioritise treatments for infectious diseases because they are less profitable than chronic medical conditions.

[Scot Dutchy]

[Cunt]

Trump ducked his responsibilities, and decided to push hydroxy-chloroquine.

He didn't push it. He simply said it looked promising. After he did, there was a veritable FURY of news stories insisting that it wasn't, and that he was terrible.

Later, he admitted to taking it himself.

In unrelated news, tens of thousands of health care workers in the UK will be given it as some sort of effort to rub it in the faces of the TDS set. Unless maybe your ranting and screeching doesn't matter, and they really gave it to them for health reasons...

But you believe what makes you feel smart.

If he is so bad, why would you want him taking authority from the States? You know what, don't answer. I can see you. You don't need to re-assert how you are smart for being anti-Trump. Your very smart, yes you are. What brilliance! Shame I can't help but laugh and doubt your 'thinking'.

Weinstein had a different sort of expert on his podcast recently. Balaji Srinivasian was a very interesting interview, but a few times both men mention their upset at the larger government academic and health organizations who authoritatively got this wrong again and again. This would probably make him upsetting to the larger group of 'news consumers'. Like leaving lumps in pablum. Scot Dutchy might appreciate it. Don't think it is something to be 'enjoyed' exactly...

[Animavore]

[Tero]

Will Trump then put a tariff on this Chinese vaccine?

[Brian Peacock]

Trump ducked his responsibilities, and decided to push hydroxy-chloroquine.

He didn't push it. He simply said it looked promising. ...

You are mistaken. I'm not the only one who's already quoted his works directly...



... or reminded you that he said the government had purchased 29million doses which he thought front-line medical staff and military personnel should take =prophylactically, adding, ".. take it... ... what have you got to lose?", as well as mentioning that he he prevented Fauci from answering question about it in one of his televised coronavirus shows after Fauci had appeared on FOX saying he thought the evidence for it as a treatment for the virus was 'anecdotal' at best.

[Cunt]

Trump ducked his responsibilities, and decided to push hydroxy-chloroquine.

He didn't push it. He simply said it looked promising. ...

You are mistaken. I'm not the only one who's already quoted his works directly...



... or reminded you that he said the government had purchased 29million doses which he thought front-line medical staff and military personnel should take =prophylactically, adding, ".. take it... ... what have you got to lose?", as well as mentioning that he he prevented Fauci from answering question about it in one of his televised coronavirus shows after Fauci had appeared on FOX saying he thought the evidence for it as a treatment for the virus was 'anecdotal' at best.

He did push it, I was wrong. How do you think you will communicate information regarding it working well?

Or will you only be interested in the 'orange man bad' news around this drug?

Tweeting is 'pushing', ok. He has also 'pushed' the qanon accounts.

But that's just a LARP, right? No connection to the white house?

[Brian Peacock]

Trump's pushing of an unproven treatment demonstrates the problems of relying on opinion over medical science. We all know how unique and deadly this thing is, and we'd all like a life-saving treatment to be available to people who might need it, but these things can't be wished into existence. Similarly, I don't think a leader should feel like they should take a bet on something like this or be bounced into making a political calculation for appearances or for votes - as I feel Trump has here. Some things are more important than votes and poll ratings.

As for the LARPing Qanonistas, "Meh."

[Cunt]

Trump's pushing of an unproven treatment demonstrates the problems of relying on opinion over medical science. We all know how unique and deadly this thing is, and we'd all like a life-saving treatment to be available to people who might need it, but these things can't be wished into existence. Similarly, I don't think a leader should feel like they should take a bet on something like this or be bounced into making a political calculation for appearances or for votes - as I feel Trump has here. Some things are more important than votes and poll ratings.

As for the LARPing Qanonistas, "Meh."

All those other countries (not being run by Trump) who are using the treatment are somehow uninteresting to you?

Trump likes it, so there are many people who will HAVE to hate it.