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Climate change denialism

Post by Tero » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:12 pm

It's live and well. The usual bloggers keep plugging away despite a number of Trump issues dominating news for months.
Why did railroads invest millions in climate-science denial? Perhaps because coal makes up almost one of every three tons of American rail freight. Nearly 70 percent of American coal is shipped by rail, often along “dedicated” lines that can “operate around the clock,” the rail association says on its website. The largest class of railroads made a combined $10.7 billion, or 14 percent of their revenue, hauling coal last year. So while rail companies say they emitted only about 0.6 percent of U.S. greenhouse-gas pollution last year, their indirect carbon footprint may be gargantuan.

If you take emissions embedded into coal into account, the railroads facilitated 16.5 percent of total U.S. carbon pollution last year, according to calculations by Rob Jackson, a geoscience professor at Stanford. That’s more carbon pollution than was released last year by all the farms in the United States, or by all the domestic flights, or by all the commercial and residential buildings.
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Re: Climate change denialism

Post by Tero » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:15 pm

The latest subject is hysteria, fueled by the Greta movement

Heller is actually...Steven Goddard
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Re: Climate change denialism

Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:31 pm

Greta says she's a vegan but she has PIGTAILS!!!
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Re: Climate change denialism

Post by Tero » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:57 pm

:funny:
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Re: Climate change denialism

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Re: Climate change denialism

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Post by JimC » Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:31 am

I wonder whether Galaxian has a good view of the Pyramids...

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Re: Climate change denialism

Post by Tero » Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:56 am

Greata no longer lining up politcians against walk to shoot them. Fox claims a victory:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/greta-thu ... f-year.amp
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Re: Climate change denialism

Post by NineBerry » Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:15 am

Fox is really great at lying. "plans a break from climate activism" vs. "plans to rest over the holidays"

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Re: Climate change denialism

Post by Svartalf » Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:42 am

It's not so much as being great at lying as being constitutionally unable to state a bit of honest truth, wonder what murdoch feeds his employees...
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Re: Climate change denialism

Post by Joe » Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:06 am

Well, for giggles here's a review of the Fox News employee cafeteria from 2008.
Design: Though it's in an inconvenient location for more than half the building and is situated off a corridor flowing with sweaty gym bunnies, the cafe actually looks kind of impressive at first, with nice lighting and reasonable style. But then you get a closer look. Many of the tables are covered in crumbs, ratty New York Posts or half-empty coffee cups, you have to struggle to get a view of the outside, and there's that flat-screen TV showing, well, Fox News Channel in a disturbingly Big Brother-ish way (all the other places I'd reviewed seemed to view their cafeterias as work-free zones). Weirdest of all, if you sit facing in, you quickly realize that there's a towering photograph of glistening, flag-waving bodybuilders to accompany your every nibble and chew. Why does Fox always have to make patriotism so disturbingly steroidal and homoerotic at the same time? Score: 3

Food: OK, what's the deal here? I know that News Corp. doesn't claim that the fourth-floor cafe is an employee cafeteria, but the selection of foods at lunchtime would be pathetic at a street cart: two sizes of salad or a tuna roll-up. What's more, if you order a coffee, you're not allowed to take it out of the cafe. How the higher-ups decided that it was good for business not to let its deadline-oppressed employees take to-go cups of legal stimulants back to their workstations, I'll never figure out. By the way, I couldn't tell the difference between the "wrap" portion of the tuna roll-up and the paper it came in, and the tuna salad was watery. Score: 1

Price: Probably the only place where the News Corp. cafe did well was the pricing, though, with its trifling selection, it's hard to really feel like you're collecting enough of a sample to rate it at all. The tuna roll was $4.50, but the very nice guys behind the counter offered to let it go for $4 just so I wouldn't have to waste an extra 50 cents on the very annoying meal-card machine. Espressos are only 75 cents, smoothies are $2.50, and a bagel is 50 cents with free condiments. It would be possibly the best deal around if there were actually anything to buy. Score: 8
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Re: Climate change denialism

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:49 pm

Structural climate change denialism at COP25.

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Re: Climate change denialism

Post by Tero » Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:23 pm

Polar ice is NOT melting because a ship has got stuck up there
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Re: Climate change denialism

Post by Tero » Sat Dec 28, 2019 1:02 pm

Occasionally the denialists still believe coal cuases something, especially if liberals are at fault
such as in electrification of the undeveloped world..using coal
https://townhall.com/columnists/pauldri ... t-n2558607
Determined to transform the “dark continent,” the AfDB launched a $12-billion New Deal on Energy in 2017 and a Light Up and Power Africa initiative in July 2018. It frequently emphasized that access to sufficient supplies of reliable, affordable modern energy – including fossil fuels – is critical for the continent’s social and economic development. Without energy, it is impossible to create jobs, increase productivity, reduce inequality, improve people’s health and wellbeing, or end poverty.
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Re: Climate change denialism

Post by Tero » Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:05 pm

some sort of disinformation from the other side. Oma is grandma, who rides a motorcycle
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And our hands they are many and we'd be of one voice
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Our case for survival before it's too late

Turn stone to bread, said Daemon Duncetan
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