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UK General Election, 12 Dec 2019

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:07 am

House of Commons voted for a general election today.

At the beginning of the campaign polls put the conservatives well ahead.
  • CONSERVATIVE 36%
  • LABOUR 24%
  • LIBERAL DEMOCRATE 18%
  • BREXIT PARTY 11%
  • GREEN 4%
  • SNP 4%
  • OTHER 3%
I think the Tories will pitch the election as Boris vs Jeremy and Leave vs Remain. I think Labour will pitch is as universalism in policy vs austerity and a credible Brexit deal vs Remain in a second referendum. The Lib Dems will say whatever they think will get them the swing votes in Tory and Labour constituencies. Or maybe not.
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Re: UK General Election, 12 Dec 2019

Post by JimC » Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:03 am

You're living in interesting times in Britain...
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Re: UK General Election, 12 Dec 2019

Post by rainbow » Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:57 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:07 am
House of Commons voted for a general election today.

At the beginning of the campaign polls put the conservatives well ahead.
  • CONSERVATIVE 36%
  • LABOUR 24%
  • LIBERAL DEMOCRATE 18%
  • BREXIT PARTY 11%
  • GREEN 4%
  • SNP 4%
  • OTHER 3%
I think the Tories will pitch the election as Boris vs Jeremy and Leave vs Remain. I think Labour will pitch is as universalism in policy vs austerity and a credible Brexit deal vs Remain in a second referendum. The Lib Dems will say whatever they think will get them the swing votes in Tory and Labour constituencies. Or maybe not.
I suspect that the Labia and Literal Dingbats will spend their time fighting each other, while the Cons and Breakfast Party form an alliance, and win.

...resulting a complete cock-up.

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Re: UK General Election, 12 Dec 2019

Post by laklak » Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:39 am

Are the Monster Raving Loonies in the "Other" category?
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: UK General Election, 12 Dec 2019

Post by Scot Dutchy » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:58 am

With all the gerrymandering Tories might win.
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Re: UK General Election, 12 Dec 2019

Post by JimC » Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:01 am

That's the current prediction. For whatever reason, Corbyn seems unable to mobilise enough votes...
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Re: UK General Election, 12 Dec 2019

Post by Scot Dutchy » Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:08 am

He is not a leader Jim but a shop steward. He can only work with committees and back rooms.
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Re: UK General Election, 12 Dec 2019

Post by rainbow » Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:26 am

laklak wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:39 am
Are the Monster Raving Loonies in the "Other" category?
I'd say they should change their name to "The Extremely Sensible Moderate Sanity Party"

...which in comparison to the others would be quite accurate.
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Re: UK General Election, 12 Dec 2019

Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:08 am

JimC wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:03 am
You're living in interesting times in Britain...
Certainly are old bean...
Climate crisis affects how majority will vote in UK election – poll

Survey also finds two-thirds of people agree climate is biggest issue facing humankind


A majority of people in the UK say the climate crisis will influence how they vote in the looming general election, according to an opinion poll, with younger voters feeling particularly strongly about the issue.

Almost two-thirds of people agreed the climate emergency was the biggest issue facing humankind, with 7% disagreeing. The poll also asked if “fossil fuel companies, whose products contribute directly to climate change, should help pay for the tens of billions in damages from extreme weather events?” Two-thirds of people agreed, with 12% opposed.

In terms of action to tackle the climate emergency, 81% of people backed planting more trees, 63% supported a Green New Deal – a large-scale, long-term investment in green infrastructure and jobs – and more than half said it was important to ban fracking.

Jonathan Church at the environmental law firm ClientEarth, which commissioned the poll conducted by Opinium, said: “From the student strikes to Extinction Rebellion, people across the UK are demanding greater action to address the climate crisis.

“Importantly these demands appear strong enough to make a difference at the next election.”

The poll of 2,000 UK adults aged 18 and over was conducted in September, before the most recent Extinction Rebellion protests but after a global climate strike that brought millions of people on to the streets.

More than half of those polled (54%) said climate change would affect how they would vote, with the proportion rising to 74% for under-25s. The poll also showed support for fossil fuel divestment, with 60% of people thinking banks and financial institutions should ditch investments in coal, oil and gas....

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ction-poll
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Re: UK General Election, 12 Dec 2019

Post by JimC » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:49 am

Good to hear, Brian...

It may be a harder sell here, particularly in mining regions, given the amount that exporting coal contributes to our economy...
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Re: UK General Election, 12 Dec 2019

Post by pErvinalia » Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:16 am

Climate change was the biggest issue here, yet we still voted in the coal loving climate deniers. When it comes down to it people vote on fear. Idiots.
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Re: UK General Election, 12 Dec 2019

Post by Scot Dutchy » Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:34 am

Jonathan Church at the environmental law firm ClientEarth, which commissioned the poll conducted by Opinium
Of course good data? Like turkeys commissioning a poll over what turkeys expect of xmas. Dont hold much store by it. There will be plenty of these polls on the election run-up. How many people even understand climate, weather and the environment? The piper plays the tune he is paid to play.
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Re: UK General Election, 12 Dec 2019

Post by Scot Dutchy » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:04 am

Another dubious side of the election: advising people what to vote.

Tactical voting website criticised for 'bogus' advice
Best for Britain website suggests backing Lib Dems in Labour-held marginals

A new tactical voting website has been criticised for advising pro-remain voters to back the Liberal Democrats in some seats where the party is way behind Labour, including key knife-edge marginals against the Conservatives.

The website, launched by the pro-remain Best for Britain organisation, suggested that voters should back the Lib Dems in Kensington, where the Labour MP Emma Dent Coad has a majority of just 20 against her Tory opponent.

The Lib Dems received just 4,724 votes there in 2017 compared with 16,313 for the Tories and 16,333 for Labour.

Likewise in Cities of London and Westminster, the website recommends voting Lib Dem, where the candidate got just 4,270 in 2017, compared with 18,005 for the successful Tory incumbent and 14,857 for Labour.

Both seats have high-profile Lib Dem defectors standing, with former Tory Sam Gyimah in Kensington and former Labour MP Chuka Umunna in Cities of London and Westminster.
With PR this would not be required but it is the only possibility under the non-democratic FPTP UK system.
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Re: UK General Election, 12 Dec 2019

Post by Scot Dutchy » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:10 am

A glimpse of how European media sees the UK election:

'Dirty tricks expected': How Europe's media reacted to calling of UK election
Irish Times says ‘Brexit election’ will be like no other while El País calls it ‘second referendum’

Europe’s media and commentators couldn’t quite believe it: after months of indecision and immobility in London, some actual Brexit action. But, they warned, the coming election would be brutal – and may end up not resolving anything.

“Hurrah! Something has moved within the walls of the palace of Westminster,” cheered France’s Libération. “The British parliament has finally agreed on … no, not Brexit, that would be too easy. But on snap elections, to be held on 12 December.”

The paper noted that after another day of “barely comprehensible developments”, parliament would now be dissolved on 5 November, “the day the skies light up with bonfires and fireworks in memory of an earlier attempt to blow it up”.
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Re: UK General Election, 12 Dec 2019

Post by rainbow » Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:03 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:04 am
With PR this would not be required but it is the only possibility under the non-democratic FPTP UK system.
As this is effectively a referendum, all pro-EU supporters should hold their noses and vote Lib-Dem.
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