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Post by aufbahrung » Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:12 am

Demographics have changed stateside. Can't forget the white flight from the future Detroit's of America as the current money printing mirage of prosperity runs out of steam. Maybe I shouldn't bring that up. Since no one else mentioned demographic change though, and seems more credible than explaining change on marches alone....that never changed anything before. Thought I'd throw it in.
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Thanks for that. :?
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Re: Meanwhile, Texas

Post by Sean Hayden » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:41 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
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It's very difficult to give a balanced response to extremism and extremist ideas. Politically and policy wise right-wing extremism might punch above its weigh in the public arena, but it's also seated a lot closer to Power (in both an ideological and functional sense) than even moderately left-wing politics. If right-wing extremism has a louder voice than it should technically merit then where do we find the balancing point between the extreme right and, say, the centre-ground - particularly when the far-right frame everyone and everything on the centre-ground as radical, far-left, totalitarian extremism?

I understand the criticism of AOC for tweeting what appears to be a kind of leftish version of 'dog whistle politics', but at the same time the kind of thing she's responding to are common parlance in right-wing circles - whether they're actually reflective of reality in schools or not. I don't think the answer to the stream of foetid stool water constantly dribbling from the right is to ignore it. The 'when they go low we go high' strategy just doesn't seem to have worked so far, not-to-mention that it runs the risk of letting the dangerous, divisive excesses of right-wing politics go unchallenged.
Far from ignoring it I gave a good example of an informed and reasonable response to the "scandal", one that criticized white supremacist while avoiding extremist nonsense.

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Re: Meanwhile, Texas

Post by Sean Hayden » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:45 pm

pErvinalia wrote:
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Thanks for that. :?
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Re: Meanwhile, Texas

Post by Sean Hayden » Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:02 pm

Hermit wrote:
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I'm sorry your father was a nazi. It must suck knowing that.
I just told you my father was not a Nazi! One of his best friends was a Jew! Can't you read? :lay:

One of my grandfathers definitely was, though.
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:59 am

Sean Hayden wrote:
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--show that an entire board of trustees for one of the largest districts in Texas is women, and women of color at that, and nothing...

Here:

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--feel better?
'And nothing...' covers both photos. Neither one speaks to the issues in a probative way. You have a valuable perspective because of your work. However it may be that your perspective in addition to giving you insight, biases your approach. I hope that you're right, that there's nothing to justify all of the complaints and objections about the Texas laws made by people other than Ocasio-Cortez.

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Re: Meanwhile, Texas

Post by Sean Hayden » Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:38 pm

Things that don't matter:

1. Composition of leadership
2. Curriculum
3. Evidence of a changing zeitgeist which can be tied to education

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Perhaps we are talking at cross purposes. I can't make sense of your claim that these things don't address the issues in a probative way otherwise. It is nonsensical to me that the composition of leadership doesn't challenge the notion that we are flirting with teaching white supremacy, ditto the rest.

They do not challenge the idea that some would definitely like us to abandon the progress we've made and teach a lie. But we are not teaching a lie, nor are we close to doing so.

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Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:24 pm

Abandoned children found living in Texas apartment with brother’s remains
Three siblings aged 15, 10 and seven discovered in Houston, telling police their brother had been dead a year

The skeletal remains of a child and three surviving siblings who appeared to have been abandoned were found inside an apartment in the Houston area.

The children’s mother and her boyfriend were located, questioned and released without charges being filed, police said on Monday.

The plight of the children came to light on Sunday afternoon when one of them, a 15-year-old, called the Harris county sheriff’s office and said his nine-year-old brother had been dead for a year and the body was inside the apartment, the office said in a statement.

Deputies found the teenager and two siblings aged 10 and seven living alone in the apartment, said the sheriff, Ed Gonzalez, adding that the other child’s skeletal remains were located.

“It appears that the remains had been there for an extended period of time,” Gonzalez told reporters. “And I emphasise extended.”
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Post by Sean Hayden » Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:04 pm

UT Rio Grande Valley to offer free tuition and fees to students with family income $100,000 or less
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The pandemic has prompted many schools to consider expanding the qualifying pool of students for free tuition.

At the University of Texas at Austin, freshman and transfer students with family adjusted gross incomes of $65,000 are eligible to get their entire tuition covered. In fall 2020, UT-Austin expanded the Texas Advance Commitment program so students whose families have an income between $65,000 and $125,000 will receive some tuition assistance.

This fall, Texas A&M University announced it was offering tuition grants for students whose family income is greater than $60,000 but no more than $130,000. The Aggie Assurance plan at Texas A&M University covers tuition, but not fees, for students whose family income is $60,000 or less.

The University of Texas at San Antonio also recently increased the family income threshold from $50,500 to $70,000 for its Bold Promise program, which starts in fall 2022.
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Post by aufbahrung » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:21 pm

Sean Hayden wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:45 pm
pErvinalia wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:54 am
Thanks for that. :?
--indeed
Houston Demographics

White: 57.02% Black or African American: 22.59% Other race: 11.05% Asian: 6.77%
Sounds about right for the 'progress' in social justice observed

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Re: Meanwhile, Texas

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:16 pm

Sean Hayden wrote:
Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:38 pm
Things that don't matter:

1. Composition of leadership
2. Curriculum
3. Evidence of a changing zeitgeist which can be tied to education

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Perhaps we are talking at cross purposes. I can't make sense of your claim that these things don't address the issues in a probative way otherwise. It is nonsensical to me that the composition of leadership doesn't challenge the notion that we are flirting with teaching white supremacy, ditto the rest.

They do not challenge the idea that some would definitely like us to abandon the progress we've made and teach a lie. But we are not teaching a lie, nor are we close to doing so.
Posting a screen shot of bureaucrats, whatever the ethnic composition, does not prove anything in regard to the new law about social studies in Texas. That said I will repeat that I hope that your 'nothing to see here' stance is borne out.

On the other hand we have a number of critiques of its possible negative effects. I've read several of them, but for example will cite the American Historical Association. On a more personal level, a note from a Texas teacher. I don't deny that you have a deeper and more informed insight than I do on this topic, but others who are also more informed than I seem to take a different view than yours.

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Post by Sean Hayden » Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:58 pm

One thing it does is point to the difficulty of teaching a white supremacist narrative in a system with so many non-white voices.

I really don't see this as much different than arguing that Democrats don't actually represent a real threat to capitalism, despite the many Republicans who believe otherwise, and who are ready to present a myriad of examples of the threat while ignoring inconvenient and mundane facts like who really runs things i.e. it ain't Sanders.

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It's worth noting too that it's possible to disagree about what constitutes a white supremacist agenda. Just like with the "socialist threat" I wouldn't be at all surprised to discover the "white-supremacist" agenda is often far less a real agenda than a nuanced disagreement between experts over what should be taught e.g. the history teacher wants specific examples taught, good for him, but there are many to choose from and the absence of any specific one need not be lying by omission or propaganda for a white washing of history.

Again, I would never deny that we have many who would like to teach a b.s. version of history. But they are quite obviously failing miserably.

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Re: Meanwhile, Texas

Post by Sean Hayden » Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:30 pm

aufbahrung wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:21 pm
Sean Hayden wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:45 pm
pErvinalia wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:54 am
Thanks for that. :?
--indeed
Houston Demographics

White: 57.02% Black or African American: 22.59% Other race: 11.05% Asian: 6.77%
Sounds about right for the 'progress' in social justice observed

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Re: Meanwhile, Texas

Post by Sean Hayden » Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:36 pm

I don't deny that you have a deeper and more informed insight than I do on this topic, but others who are also more informed than I seem to take a different view than yours.
You should definitely value their opinion over mine. They have far more experience than me. There is also the question of what being wrong here actually means anyway. I could be right, and wrong. Maybe their approach is best despite the current situation. Maybe I've overestimated the harm of misjudging the threat, and misunderestimated ( :biggrin: ) the good that will come from taking the opposite approach... :cheers:

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Re: Meanwhile, Texas

Post by aufbahrung » Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:10 am

Makes sense with the demographics taken into consideration. Society near the tipping for change with the heightened emotions change brings. The change will even be televised and might include a attempt to storm the presidential palace by the losing side in change. As the new balance of power is accepted things will calm down. Might even put some new statues up for to take down when change comes again, as it will?
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